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Old 1st July 2008, 06:28 AM   (permalink)
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hi Krumlink,

Use a 1R resisitor is series with the 0V line.

Connect a LM3914 input across the 1R, drive 10 leds with the outputs from the LM3914.

You can calibrate the LM3914 to give say 0.1A or 0.2A steps on the leds.
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Old 1st July 2008, 06:46 AM   (permalink)
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Hi. Roll your own relay. Put enough heavy wire of suitable guage on some soft iron, like a heavy nail. Secure this coil so it can't move. Get a reed switch and, while pumping 1.5 Amps through the coil you just built, slowly move the switch towards the coil. When the switch finally engages, you've found the 'sweet spot'. Secure the switch in place. Now you use a processor pin to detect the switch's closure, or an ohmeter with a continuity buzzer to signal closure, or whatever you envisioned. Maybe you can even find a relay built to do just this.

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Old 1st July 2008, 07:08 AM   (permalink)
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hi Krumlink,

Use a 1R resisitor is series with the 0V line.

Connect a LM3914 input across the 1R, drive 10 leds with the outputs from the LM3914.

You can calibrate the LM3914 to give say 0.1A or 0.2A steps on the leds.
hi,
I based this reply on your opening post, I see that the 'specification' changed as the thread developed.
So its now 120Vac mains, detecting a current window, as I cannot edit my previous post,
the solution I suggested [LM3914] will not apply.
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Old 1st July 2008, 07:54 PM   (permalink)
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Use the current sensing toroid transformer. If you get a split core clamp on ferrite core and clamp it over one lead of a zip line cord, you can do this fairly safely.
You can buy commercial ones for this purpose:

Or you can roll your own transformer from an empty core:

which might be easier and cheaper to find. You'll need quite a few turns of wire on the secondary to get a decent sensitivity (500-5000 turns) so the premade one may be better for you.
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Old 2nd July 2008, 07:36 AM   (permalink)
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Use a hall effect sensor, similar to what kchriste suggested, and a relatively simple comparator circuit. The hall effect sensor will output a voltage based on the current passing though it. Adjust the vRef on the comparator to match the voltage from the hall effect sensor when it reads 1.5 amps. You will, of course, need an ammeter to calibrate the circuit. Use the comparator output to drive a transistor which will drive a relay or whatever you need.

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Old 2nd July 2008, 08:32 AM   (permalink)
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A current transformer works very well with AC like that.

The thing to remember is that it is a CURRENT transformer not a voltage transformer, so you must not leave it open circuit. The output current is set by the input current and the turns ratio. There is a maximum output voltage that you can take. The transformer specification should say that.

It is quite easy to wire the output to a bridge rectifier, then a capacitor and a resistor.

You get much less power in the resistor for the same voltage drop, and it is much safer.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 12:03 AM   (permalink)
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@Khristie: How would I do that? I have never used current sensing before.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 12:27 AM   (permalink)
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Her is a nice little Current sense. They work just like a transformer.
http://ww2.pulseeng.com/products/datasheets/P524.pdf

I think Digikey has some as well.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 12:32 AM   (permalink)
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Mike that looks interesting, how could I use it?
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Old 3rd July 2008, 01:14 AM   (permalink)
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Well, you have your AC line, which is primary and essentially 1turn going through the xformer which is the secondary say the secondary is 50 turns. So if 1 amp is running through the primary 1/50 current will run through secondary. Have a resistor load on secondary and using ohms law Vsense = Isense x Rload (E=IR). For given voltage across Rload you know what I primary is. Check out this link on transformer equations. May help explain.
Transformer Formulas

Keep in mind the voltage would still be AC.

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Old 3rd July 2008, 03:38 AM   (permalink)
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I'll try and reply before this thread gets locked.
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@Khristie: How would I do that? I have never used current sensing before.
This datasheet shows how it is basically done at the bottom:
http://www.crmagnetics.com/pdf/3110.pdf
The I is the one wire of the AC lamp cord you pass through the core. It is also the amperage though that wire. They include a formula for you. So, if you put a 1K resistor on the output of the current transformer, you would get apx 0.48 volts RMS AC across the resistor for a current of 1.5Amps which agrees with the chart they provide you:
1.5A x 1000hm: / 3100 = 0.48V
You could amplify this voltage with an OpAmp (Or try a 10K resistor) and then rectify it to detect the 1.5A threshold.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 01:58 PM   (permalink)
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The tiny transformer is made for high frequency SMPS and might not work at the mains frequency.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 02:40 PM   (permalink)
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The tiny transformer is made for high frequency SMPS and might not work at the mains frequency.
No, its made for 50 / 60 Hz (look at the data sheet at http://www.crmagnetics.com/pdf/3110.pdf

Its a CURRENT TRANSFORMER. It needs a resistor in parallel with the secondary (or else an ammeter) so it doesn't develop a high secondary voltage.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 02:54 PM   (permalink)
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I think he was speaking about the one I suggested and I think he might be right. I should have looked more closely at the data sheet.
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