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Old 2nd February 2008, 12:24 PM   (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Marks256
Let's not start the "PICs are better" thing. Ok? I will start with PICs when i feel that i am good and ready.
I suggest you try listening to the sound track from "The Sound Of Music"

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lets start at the very beginning
a very good place to start

when you read yo begin with A-B-C
when you sing you begin with DO-RE-MI

child: do re mi
DO RE MI...

the first three notes just happen to be : DO-RE-MI
CHild: do re mi...

DO-RE-MI-FA-SOL-LA-TI...
oh let me see if i can make it easier

DOE-- A DEER A FEMALE DEER
RAY-- A DROP OF GOLDEN SUN
ME-- A NAME I CALL MYSELF
FAR-- A LONG LONG WAY TO RUN
SEW-- A NEEDLE PULLING THREAD
LA-- A NOTE TO FOLLOW SEW
TEA-- A DRINK WITH JAM AND BREAD
THAT WILL BRING US BACK TO DO... oh oh oh

DOE-- A DEER A FEMALE DEER
RAY-- A DROP OF GOLDEN SUN
ME-- A NAME I CALL MYSELF
FAR-- A LONG LONG WAY TO RUN
SEW-- A NEEDLE PULLING THREAD
LA-- A NOTE TO FOLLOW SEW
TEA-- A DRINK WITH JAM AND BREAD
THAT WILL BRING US BACK TO...

(CHILD)
DOE-- A DEER A FEMALE DEER
RAY-- A DROP OF GOLDEN SUN
ME-- A NAME I CALL MYSELF
FAR-- A LONG LONG WAY TO RUN
(EVERYONE)
SEW-- A NEEDLE PULLING THREAD
LA-- A NOTE TO FOLLOW SEW
TEA-- A DRINK WITH JAM AND BREAD
THAT WILL BRING US BACK TO DO

DO-RE-MI-FA-SOL-LA-TI-DO....SO DO!

now children, do re mi fa sol and so on..
are only the tools to build a song...
once you have these notes in your head you can
sing a millions different tunes my mixing them up!!!
like this:

SOL-DO-LA-FA-MI-DO-RE
(CHILD)SOL-DO-LA-FA-MI-DO-RE

SOL-DO-LA-TI-DO-RE-DO
(CHILD)SOL-DO-LA-TI-DO-RE-DO

(julie)NOW put them all together!!

(all)
SOL-DO-LA-FA-MI-DO-RE
SOL-DO-LA-TI-DO-RE-DO
You would do well to heed that advice, instead of repeatedly asking the same questions over and over again and paying no attention to the answers.
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Old 2nd February 2008, 04:14 PM   (permalink)
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If anyone on here Wants a Z80 chip, I have one.

I have no use for it and I will Mail it to that person for FREE.

However, I am just leaving to go on a Holiday to Chile, so DON'T email me till after March 3, 2008.

Take care.....Gary
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Old 2nd February 2008, 05:00 PM   (permalink)
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However, I am just leaving to go on a Holiday to Chile, so DON'T email me till after March 3, 2008.
Chile?, that sounds a bit random?
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Old 2nd February 2008, 05:14 PM   (permalink)
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Chile?, that sounds a bit random?
Chile is mainstream. Now Tristan da Cunha, Peter I, or Pitcairn Island those would be outliers.
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Old 2nd February 2008, 06:35 PM   (permalink)
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Chile?, that sounds a bit random?
One Week at the Very bottom of Chile, (To See Penguins and there offspring) One week up on the Main land of Chile, (Sightseeing and visit with a guy I met on the Internet) Than off to Hawaii to warm up Before returning home.

Your Just Jealous!
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Old 2nd February 2008, 08:01 PM   (permalink)
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Your Just Jealous!
Am not!
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Old 3rd February 2008, 10:35 PM   (permalink)
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What is a "Counter Timer Circuit" and what does it do?
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Old 3rd February 2008, 10:45 PM   (permalink)
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A Z80 CTC (Counter Timer Chip) has a number of counters. When you connect a syncronous clock to the input of a counter we call it a timer because all the clock pulses are the same distance apart.

If we connect an asyncronous clock to the input we call it a counter because it "counts" events like people going through a turnstyle, but gives no information about the interval between the people.
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Old 4th February 2008, 01:07 AM   (permalink)
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Ok. Thanks Papabravo.
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Old 4th February 2008, 07:11 AM   (permalink)
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Hey Marks256, here's a ZX81 clone schematic (yes Z80 with video)
http://www.user.dccnet.com/wrigter/i...s/ZX97lite.htm
http://oldcomputers.net/
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Old 5th February 2008, 06:53 AM   (permalink)
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Let's not start the "PICs are better" thing. Ok? I will start with PICs when i feel that i am good and ready.
I was under the impression that you had already started.

At any rate, I would prefer you learn the simple and common things, before learning the complex and rare things.

The "devices insert instructions during interrupts" is an 8080/Z80 weirdness that AFAIK no other line of processors use. There were many competitors to Intel and Zilog, and if anyone else used that weird protocol, I'm not aware of it.

Most, if not all, other processors handle interrupts pretty much the same way the PIC does. The IBM mainframe, the Pentium, Motorola microprocessors and microcontrollers, and many others. The processor (not the device!) performs the equivalent of a subroutine call.
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Old 6th February 2008, 03:03 AM   (permalink)
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Ok. Scratch the question on how keyboards handle multiple inputs. I think i figured it out on my own. Instead of the keyboard just being a bunch of buttons hooked up to high, some sort of scan system goes through (demux?) each individual line looking for keys that are on or off. that way, if two keys are pressed in one row, and one in another, the device won't get confused. this way, only ONE "row" has it's data being read. not the whole keyboard at a single given time... right?


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Hey Marks256, here's a ZX81 clone schematic (yes Z80 with video)
http://www.user.dccnet.com/wrigter/i...s/ZX97lite.htm
http://oldcomputers.net/
Thanks for the link to the clone! and to oldcomputers.net

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At any rate, I would prefer you learn the simple and common things, before learning the complex and rare things.
To me, this is simple. This is how I learn. Just because YOU may learn by starting out simple, and getting more and more complex, doesn't mean EVERY body learns that way. Call me weird, call me crazy, whatever. I learn more by failing then i do succeeding.
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Old 6th February 2008, 08:01 AM   (permalink)
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OK, you're weird and crazy.

twenty five years ago, the available home computer technology was a major encouragement and opportunity for people to learn and progress in electronics and programming. the current trend is to make the user more and more remote from the technology they're using. the fun is leaking away.
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Old 7th February 2008, 03:27 AM   (permalink)
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the fun is leaking away.
I think that's why Marks256 wants to play with the z80. Not very practical, but much more "fun" for him than a PIC. People build tube amps. Why not vintage computers? It's a hobby for most of the people here.
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some sort of scan system goes through (demux?) each individual line looking for keys that are on or off. that way, if two keys are pressed in one row, and one in another, the device won't get confused. this way, only ONE "row" has it's data being read. not the whole keyboard at a single given time...
That's pretty much how most keyboards work; a scanned matrix of keys.
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Old 8th February 2008, 03:11 AM   (permalink)
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I think that's why Marks256 wants to play with the z80. Not very practical, but much more "fun" for him than a PIC. People build tube amps. Why not vintage computers? It's a hobby for most of the people here.
Thank you! I couldn't have said it better (not the song, either... )

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That's pretty much how most keyboards work; a scanned matrix of keys.
Ok. Thanks.




Another question. How does an 8 bit processor handle numbers larger then 255?
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