Does anybody knows what is the part of the circuit and its function? - Electronic Circuits Projects Diagrams Free

Harros · 25th January 2008, 01:12 PM

Hi guys, I am now building a RF amplifier, and I have the sample circuit as a reference. However, I wonder what one of the part of the circuit is... (I guess its a bandpass filter) i am sorry for my limited knowledges in electronics... Does anyone here have clues with this part of circuit?? Thank you!!!

**Nigel Goodwin** · 25th January 2008, 02:37 PM

Yes, it's some kind of tuned filter - you're pretty stuffed copying a commercial circuit if you don't have access to whatever they are.

stevez · 25th January 2008, 09:42 PM

I'd agree with Nigel that it's a tuned circuit, crystal, ceramic or possibly other. If you knew what was supposed to happen that would help narrow the possibilities. Example: if this happened to be the 1st IF of a superhet radio you might expect the frequency of the filter to be the sum or difference of the frequency being rec'd and the oscillator. What you won't know is how selective it's supposed to be - but you could guess at a range dependent on what you intend to actually do with it.

Diver300 · 25th January 2008, 11:37 PM

I am fairly sure that the three terminal devices are Monolythic Crystal Filters.

http://www.radio-electronics.com/inf...tal_filter.php

Harros · 27th January 2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stevez

I'd agree with Nigel that it's a tuned circuit, crystal, ceramic or possibly other. If you knew what was supposed to happen that would help narrow the possibilities. Example: if this happened to be the 1st IF of a superhet radio you might expect the frequency of the filter to be the sum or difference of the frequency being rec'd and the oscillator. What you won't know is how selective it's supposed to be - but you could guess at a range dependent on what you intend to actually do with it.

This circuit part is a IF amplifier, I think, as there are two BJT amplifier cascaded with the bandpass filter.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 27th January 2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Harros

This circuit part is a IF amplifier, I think, as there are two BJT amplifier cascaded with the bandpass filter.

From the small section of circuit it's impossible to say what it is, although an IF amplifier is a possibility - we need the rest of the circuit to tell.

Harros · 28th January 2008, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

From the small section of circuit it's impossible to say what it is, although an IF amplifier is a possibility - we need the rest of the circuit to tell.

Well, this is the entire circuit of it. By the way, this is the circuit of one of the module in the system...

**Nigel Goodwin** · 28th January 2008, 11:29 AM

That's a bit better, but it still gives no clue as to what it is, or what frequency it might be working at - it appears to be a common LO feeding two mixers, followed by two filtered amplifiers. With the filters either been one crystal filter, or two ceramic ones in series.

Presumably it's still only part of a complete circuit?, which is why it doesn't tell enough.

Harros · 29th January 2008, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

That's a bit better, but it still gives no clue as to what it is, or what frequency it might be working at - it appears to be a common LO feeding two mixers, followed by two filtered amplifiers. With the filters either been one crystal filter, or two ceramic ones in series.

Presumably it's still only part of a complete circuit?, which is why it doesn't tell enough.

These are all the circuit parts in the receiver part of the design, but I am thinking of removing the mixers and the DDS in my design as my project is still in testing stage.

P/S: This system is the Near Field Electromagnetic Ranging system

Diver300 · 29th January 2008, 07:16 AM

The original section is a filter.

The three items labeled X1, X3, and X5 have not DC signal going to them as they are only connected by C18 and C32. That makes it just about impossible for it to usefully contain any semiconductors.

"X" is a common circuit abreviation for crystal, and it has also spread to crystal oscillators and crytal filters.

I think that makes them monolythic crystal filters, which are crystals with the electrode on one side separated into two halves. The two halves are only coupled when the crystal resonates.

They could also be crystal filters, which are assemblies of passive components and crystals, tuned to only couple at certain frequencies.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 29th January 2008, 11:09 AM

Unfortunately there's no frequencies given anywhere in the circuit, so it makes it impossible to know what frequencies the filters might be?.

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25th January 2008, 02:37 PM	(permalink)
Nigel Goodwin	Yes, it's some kind of tuned filter - you're pretty stuffed copying a commercial circuit if you don't have access to whatever they are. __________________ PIC programmer software, and PIC Tutorials at: http://www.winpicprog.co.uk

25th January 2008, 09:42 PM	(permalink)
stevez	I'd agree with Nigel that it's a tuned circuit, crystal, ceramic or possibly other. If you knew what was supposed to happen that would help narrow the possibilities. Example: if this happened to be the 1st IF of a superhet radio you might expect the frequency of the filter to be the sum or difference of the frequency being rec'd and the oscillator. What you won't know is how selective it's supposed to be - but you could guess at a range dependent on what you intend to actually do with it. __________________ stevez

25th January 2008, 11:37 PM	(permalink)
Diver300	I am fairly sure that the three terminal devices are Monolythic Crystal Filters. http://www.radio-electronics.com/inf...tal_filter.php

28th January 2008, 11:29 AM	(permalink)
Nigel Goodwin	That's a bit better, but it still gives no clue as to what it is, or what frequency it might be working at - it appears to be a common LO feeding two mixers, followed by two filtered amplifiers. With the filters either been one crystal filter, or two ceramic ones in series. Presumably it's still only part of a complete circuit?, which is why it doesn't tell enough. __________________ PIC programmer software, and PIC Tutorials at: http://www.winpicprog.co.uk

29th January 2008, 07:16 AM	(permalink)
Diver300	The original section is a filter. The three items labeled X1, X3, and X5 have not DC signal going to them as they are only connected by C18 and C32. That makes it just about impossible for it to usefully contain any semiconductors. "X" is a common circuit abreviation for crystal, and it has also spread to crystal oscillators and crytal filters. I think that makes them monolythic crystal filters, which are crystals with the electrode on one side separated into two halves. The two halves are only coupled when the crystal resonates. They could also be crystal filters, which are assemblies of passive components and crystals, tuned to only couple at certain frequencies.

29th January 2008, 11:09 AM	(permalink)
Nigel Goodwin	Unfortunately there's no frequencies given anywhere in the circuit, so it makes it impossible to know what frequencies the filters might be?. __________________ PIC programmer software, and PIC Tutorials at: http://www.winpicprog.co.uk

29th January 2008, 10:04 PM	(permalink)
stickpin	deffo crystals