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slopagafud · 7th January 2008, 12:25 AM

Hello everyone my name is Dan and im new to this. I dont have much of an understanding of how circuits work, but, I can use a soldering iron and a multimeter rather well and build/repair things with the aid of a good schematic. That being said, heres my problem: I need to build a timer to turn a 9v device on for 10min, off for 20min, on 10, off 20, and on another 10 min before shutting off completely.I need it to run off a regular 9v batt and be as small as possible.Thankyou for any help you can offer.

Screech · 7th January 2008, 02:26 AM

You may want to use a microcontroller.
I use the "Picaxe microcontroller".
Very easy to program.

'Untested code for the picaxe microcontroller with no syntax errors. eg.

Code:

 
 
switch on 1   ‘ switches on output 1
  for b1= 1 to 10
   wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes)
  next b1
 
switch off 1   ‘ switches off output 1
  for b1 = 1 to 20
   wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 20 times (20 minutes)
  next b1
 
 
 
 
switch on 1   ‘ switches on output 1
  for b1= 1 to 10
   wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes)
  next b1
 
switch off 1   ‘ switches off output 1
  for b1 = 1 to 20
   wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 20 times (20 minutes)
  next b1
 
 
 
switch on 1   ‘ switches on output 1
 for b1= 1 to 10
  wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes)
 next b1
 
switch off 1   ‘ switches off output 1

slopagafud · 7th January 2008, 03:13 AM

Ok, I did a little research and found out about the "picaxe" It seems simple enough, but which one do I need and how would I go about wiring it into my device? Can I still use the toggle switch already installed on the device and have it shut off after the 3rd cycle? What would be the best way to do this?

Screech · 7th January 2008, 05:26 AM

You can use any picaxe chip. The bigger chips just have more outputs.

Downloading the online picaxe manual will tell you all you nead to get started.

KMoffett · 7th January 2008, 03:48 PM

Dan,

I agree with Screech...A Picaxe could do exactly what you want...cheap and easy. Since you are only turning on only one 9v device, I would suggest the Picaxe 08M. This is an 8 pin Dip with one dedicated input pin, one dedicated output pin, and 3 selectable input/output pins.

Two questions:

What starts the timer?

Since the Picaxe must have power to run, do you want it to continue to be powered after it shuts off the 9v device?

Ken

slopagafud · 8th January 2008, 01:29 AM

What I would like to do is basically push a button,have the device run through the cycle and turn off completely.If possible I would like to set it up so if the button was pushed while runnung it wouldn't affect the current cycle.

KMoffett · 8th January 2008, 02:46 AM

Dan,

I have exactly that circuit for the Picaxe 08M.

How much current does the 9V device draw...and do you want the high side of the device (+9v) switched or the low side (-9v or common)?

Ken

slopagafud · 8th January 2008, 03:29 AM

+ side is switched already(toggle), and as far as draw goes I cant really see it being much. The device is called a "ZAPPER", it takes voltage from a 9v batt and outputs about 9v @ 30khz to two contacts on a dog harness. It is part of a treatment for my dogs heart disease.

slopagafud · 8th January 2008, 04:29 AM

+ side switched & not much draw at all.

KMoffett · 8th January 2008, 04:25 PM

Dan,

Attached is a Picaxe circuit I've used for a pushbutton start and program shut down. This could be used by adding a few program lines to screech's program.

Ken

slopagafud · 9th January 2008, 12:47 AM

Im gonna give this a shot.Thank you so much for your help!

slopagafud · 12th January 2008, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMoffett

Dan,

Attached is a Picaxe circuit I've used for a pushbutton start and program shut down. This could be used by adding a few program lines to screech's program.

Ken

OK I have almost everything I need to build this but Im stuck on the programming. Ive been playing with the programming editor and using the simulator to check my work but I dont know which pins do what other than p1 & p8 power the picaxe, and p2 is in, and p7(0) is out.Other than that I dont understand how the circuit works to write the program.
I also have one other question, does this circuit have an output voltage of 9v,or will I have to use a relay? Thank you for any help you can give me.

Dan

KMoffett · 13th January 2008, 03:42 AM

Dan

The first thing you will need to do is make a programming cable. This can be
found in the manual on page 27:

http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/docs/da...xe_manual1.pdf

I've included a new schematic that includes the cable and two resistors (R6 & R7) that are part of programming circuit. The connectors P1/J1 can be any small 3-terminal connectors such as 3-pin headers, or miniature stereo heahphone connectors. This allows you to program your Picaxe in-circuit, and disconnect the computer cable when you are ready to use your treatment device.

One thing to be carefull about when wiring and programming the Picaxe is the difference between the chip's physical pin numbers, and "pin" numbers in the program. Sometimes it causes confusion.

The transistor Q3 will switch the 9v on and off to your 555 circuit.

P1 will be used to turn on the power hold function.
P4 will be used to turn your 555 curcuit on-off-on-off.

I've added my power function to screech's program and modified it for the appropriate pins.

This should get you started.

Ken

slopagafud · 13th January 2008, 08:14 AM

Ken,
thanks so much for all the help! I already started building the programmer with parts I had laying around, but I was thinking of just wiring direct instead of using the jack. The only problem I could see about that is that the cable would be dedicated to the 08M.

KMoffett · 13th January 2008, 01:24 PM

Dan,

3AM epiphany

...screech's program wasn't using my output transistor Q3, which inverts the output of P4, so I attached the revised program.

Having the programming cable detachable would seem important if the unit has to be attached to a dog harness.

I haven't bench tested my circuit with yours, so it may take a little tweaking of R4 and R5 to be sure you get a full turn-on and turn-off of the pulser.

Since I have a little background in Biomedical Engineering...What's the purpose of you pulser? .........OKaaaaaa, I found this:
http://www.loaves-n-fishes.com/zapper.html

Code:

Start:	'Turn on power-hold circuit

	High 1
	
OnOffOnOffOnOff: 'Operate pulser circuit

	Low 4   ‘ switches on transistor output
  	for b1= 1 to 10
   	wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes)
 	 next b1
 
	High 4   ‘ switches off transistor output
  	for b1 = 1 to 20
  	 wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 20 times (20 minutes)
  	next b1
  
	Low 4   ‘ switches on transistor output
  	for b1= 1 to 10
  	 wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes)
 	next b1
 
	High 4   ‘ switches off transistor output
  	for b1 = 1 to 20
   	wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 20 times (20 minutes)
 	 next b1

	Low 4   ‘ switches on transistor output
	 for b1= 1 to 10
	  wait 60   ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes)
	 next b1
 
	High 4   ‘ switches off transistor output

Terminate:		'Turn off power-hold circuit

	Low 1
	Stop

Ken

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7th January 2008, 12:25 AM	(permalink)
slopagafud	Hello, im new and need some help! Hello everyone my name is Dan and im new to this. I dont have much of an understanding of how circuits work, but, I can use a soldering iron and a multimeter rather well and build/repair things with the aid of a good schematic. That being said, heres my problem: I need to build a timer to turn a 9v device on for 10min, off for 20min, on 10, off 20, and on another 10 min before shutting off completely.I need it to run off a regular 9v batt and be as small as possible.Thankyou for any help you can offer.

7th January 2008, 03:13 AM	(permalink)
slopagafud	Ok, I did a little research and found out about the "picaxe" It seems simple enough, but which one do I need and how would I go about wiring it into my device? Can I still use the toggle switch already installed on the device and have it shut off after the 3rd cycle? What would be the best way to do this? Last edited by slopagafud; 7th January 2008 at 05:16 AM.

7th January 2008, 05:26 AM	(permalink)
Screech	You can use any picaxe chip. The bigger chips just have more outputs. Downloading the online picaxe manual will tell you all you nead to get started.

7th January 2008, 03:48 PM	(permalink)
KMoffett	Dan, I agree with Screech...A Picaxe could do exactly what you want...cheap and easy. Since you are only turning on only one 9v device, I would suggest the Picaxe 08M. This is an 8 pin Dip with one dedicated input pin, one dedicated output pin, and 3 selectable input/output pins. Two questions: What starts the timer? Since the Picaxe must have power to run, do you want it to continue to be powered after it shuts off the 9v device? Ken __________________ "To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk." Thomas A. Edison (1847 - 1931)

8th January 2008, 01:29 AM	(permalink)
slopagafud	What I would like to do is basically push a button,have the device run through the cycle and turn off completely.If possible I would like to set it up so if the button was pushed while runnung it wouldn't affect the current cycle.

8th January 2008, 02:46 AM	(permalink)
KMoffett	Dan, I have exactly that circuit for the Picaxe 08M. How much current does the 9V device draw...and do you want the high side of the device (+9v) switched or the low side (-9v or common)? Ken __________________ "To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk." Thomas A. Edison (1847 - 1931)

8th January 2008, 03:29 AM	(permalink)
slopagafud	+ side is switched already(toggle), and as far as draw goes I cant really see it being much. The device is called a "ZAPPER", it takes voltage from a 9v batt and outputs about 9v @ 30khz to two contacts on a dog harness. It is part of a treatment for my dogs heart disease.

8th January 2008, 04:29 AM	(permalink)
slopagafud	+ side switched & not much draw at all.

9th January 2008, 12:47 AM	(permalink)
slopagafud	Im gonna give this a shot.Thank you so much for your help!

13th January 2008, 08:14 AM	(permalink)
slopagafud	Ken, thanks so much for all the help! I already started building the programmer with parts I had laying around, but I was thinking of just wiring direct instead of using the jack. The only problem I could see about that is that the cable would be dedicated to the 08M.

13th January 2008, 01:24 PM	(permalink)
KMoffett	Dan, 3AM epiphany ...screech's program wasn't using my output transistor Q3, which inverts the output of P4, so I attached the revised program. Having the programming cable detachable would seem important if the unit has to be attached to a dog harness. I haven't bench tested my circuit with yours, so it may take a little tweaking of R4 and R5 to be sure you get a full turn-on and turn-off of the pulser. Since I have a little background in Biomedical Engineering...What's the purpose of you pulser? .........OKaaaaaa, I found this: http://www.loaves-n-fishes.com/zapper.html Code: Start: 'Turn on power-hold circuit High 1 OnOffOnOffOnOff: 'Operate pulser circuit Low 4 ‘ switches on transistor output for b1= 1 to 10 wait 60 ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes) next b1 High 4 ‘ switches off transistor output for b1 = 1 to 20 wait 60 ‘ waits 60 seconds, 20 times (20 minutes) next b1 Low 4 ‘ switches on transistor output for b1= 1 to 10 wait 60 ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes) next b1 High 4 ‘ switches off transistor output for b1 = 1 to 20 wait 60 ‘ waits 60 seconds, 20 times (20 minutes) next b1 Low 4 ‘ switches on transistor output for b1= 1 to 10 wait 60 ‘ waits 60 seconds, 10 times (10 minutes) next b1 High 4 ‘ switches off transistor output Terminate: 'Turn off power-hold circuit Low 1 Stop Ken __________________ "To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk." Thomas A. Edison (1847 - 1931) Last edited by KMoffett; 13th January 2008 at 03:41 PM.