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Old 29th December 2007, 02:22 PM   (permalink)
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Wow your motor, idea sounds expensive, power hungry and unreliable, I don't know how you got all three in one!

Filter any waveform with a 50% duty cycle enough and you'll get a sinewave. Build a 7555 timer circuit with 50% duty cycle, add a non-inverting buffer to the capacitor, stick a picky enough filter on the end and you'll have a near as damn it perfect sinewave.
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Old 29th December 2007, 04:16 PM   (permalink)
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A switched-capacitor Butterworth lowpass filter IC does wonders to remove harmonics. A square-wave can be filtered with an 8th-order IC and the results are low distortion sine-wave.

My very low distortion sine-wave generator uses a CD4018 to make a stepped sine-wave with 10 steps (10 times over-sampled) then is filtered by an 8th-order Butterworth filter IC. The distortion is 0.01%.
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Old 29th December 2007, 07:55 PM   (permalink)
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is this gonna be some strictly controlled output? you could keep it simple, LC tank. dang yall love things complicated more than they have to be.
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Old 29th December 2007, 08:23 PM   (permalink)
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is this gonna be some strictly controlled output? you could keep it simple, LC tank. dang yall love things complicated more than they have to be.
No, we all read the requirements - how were you planning making a 0.2Hz to 1.75Hz variable LC oscillator?.
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Old 29th December 2007, 09:08 PM   (permalink)
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No, we all read the requirements - how were you planning making a 0.2Hz to 1.75Hz variable LC oscillator?.
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Old 29th December 2007, 09:29 PM   (permalink)
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with lots of love and hugs.
Man, I can just 'feel the love' - but what I can't feel is a low frequency variable sinewave!
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Old 29th December 2007, 10:23 PM   (permalink)
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You could if you played it out of a huge sub woofer but it'd probably make you feel ill rather than lovely.
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Old 30th December 2007, 01:00 AM   (permalink)
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No, we all read the requirements - how were you planning making a 0.2Hz to 1.75Hz variable LC oscillator?.
Well if you wind a really large coil around the garage and put it in parallel with a huge capacitor. If you park the car outside the garage you get 2Hz and if you park inside you'll get 0.2Hz. Simple really.
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Old 30th December 2007, 12:46 PM   (permalink)
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Well if you wind a really large coil around the garage and put it in parallel with a huge capacitor. If you park the car outside the garage you get 2Hz and if you park inside you'll get 0.2Hz. Simple really.
Sorry, but I don't have a garage?
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Old 30th December 2007, 02:34 PM   (permalink)
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JFETSs are used for automatic-gain-control in sine-wave oscillators and in audio equipment.

A JFET produces about 0.1% distortion when the signal across it is more than about 30mV RMS. If the signal is 300mV then the distortion is severe.
Adding a signal to the gate that is half the level of the signal at the drain reduces 2nd harmonic distortion a lot.
Years ago the "chorus pedals" used bucket-brigade echo/delay ICs that had 2.5% distortion.

I understand that you will use matched JFETs in all-pass filters as part of a phaser effect circuit. I think the old CA3080, LM13600 and LM13700 transconductance amp ICs were used in the 70's to do it.

Google is full of old flanger/phaser circuits.

It seems like alot of phaser circuits use JFETs. how do they get around the distortion?
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Old 30th December 2007, 02:39 PM   (permalink)
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A switched-capacitor Butterworth lowpass filter IC does wonders to remove harmonics. A square-wave can be filtered with an 8th-order IC and the results are low distortion sine-wave.

My very low distortion sine-wave generator uses a CD4018 to make a stepped sine-wave with 10 steps (10 times over-sampled) then is filtered by an 8th-order Butterworth filter IC. The distortion is 0.01%.
sounds like overkill for my application; but very cool. I think smoothness is more important for me than perfect sine wave.
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Old 30th December 2007, 03:28 PM   (permalink)
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Distortion isn't a problem with a phaser, it's entire reason for being there is to distort the signal anyway.

Why don't you try googling for phaser circuits, and see how thousands of others have overcome the problems?

On the other hand, although I'm presuming you're wanting to build one for the pleasure of it?, why not just buy one?

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/menu/index...e=manufacturer

Nice box, at less than the parts are goint to cost you!.
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Old 31st December 2007, 04:41 AM   (permalink)
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ha, i already have one.
im having lots of fun with this.
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Old 31st December 2007, 08:48 AM   (permalink)
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Well if you wind a really large coil around the garage and put it in parallel with a huge capacitor. If you park the car outside the garage you get 2Hz and if you park inside you'll get 0.2Hz. Simple really.
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Old 31st December 2007, 09:35 AM   (permalink)
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Wow your motor, idea sounds expensive, power hungry and unreliable, I don't know how you got all three in one!
Even I get lucky like that, sometimes.

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Filter any waveform with a 50% duty cycle enough and you'll get a sinewave. Build a 7555 timer circuit with 50% duty cycle, add a non-inverting buffer to the capacitor, stick a picky enough filter on the end and you'll have a near as damn it perfect sinewave.
That'll work, to get a good sine, for a particular frequency. I just did a quick-n-dirty simulation of it in LTspice and got 0.674% THD after running a 0.1 Hz square wave through five 1st-order 10K/150uF lowpass filters, with four opamps as buffers between the stages.

BUT, he needs the amplitude to stay constant regardless of frequency, from 0.2 Hz to 1.75 Hz if I recall correctly. So, with that approach, either the filter's corner frequency would need to be moved up, to be able to even try to keep the amplitude constant vs frequency, and the filter would need to have many (many) more stages, and it still wouldn't have constant amplitude vs frequency, OR, he'd need to use a smaller bank of adaptive filters, with a variable corner frequency, and some way to control it, and some way to know when and how to control it.

The motorized oscillator idea had a lot of potential problems. But at least it did hold a constant amplitude versus frequency.

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