UTMonkey

Dear All,

I am currently working through a useful web document on transistor biasing by Harry Lythall - http://web.telia.com/~u85920178/begin/bias-00.htm

One of the early examples describes a basic biasing technique (see attached) using two resistors.

My Goal = to bias the transistor so the collector voltage equals 5 Volts with a current of 20mA.

Heres how I did it (feel free to correct)

Assumption 1= The gain of this transistor is 200 (ok I appreciate this isnt perfect in real life).

1. Ib = Collector Current (20mA) / 200 = 100uA
2. Rb = (Source Voltage - Required Collector Voltage - npn drop at base) / Ib
2a. Rb = (10V - 5V - 0.7V) / 100uA (0.0001)
2b. Rb = 43k
3. Rc = Required Collector Voltage / Required Collector Current
3a. RC = 5V / 20mA (0.020) = 250Ohms

I have tried calculations for a number of different current voltages and the calculation appear to hold up.

Here's my question (at long last!), let say I am diagnosing this diagram with just the knowledge of the resistors, voltage source, transistor and transistor gain(?) but i do not have a DMM, how could I work out the Collector Voltage and Current based only on this information?

Many thanks in advance.

Mark

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kchriste

This formula will give you the collector current. The rest should be easy:
Ic = (Vcc - Vbe) / ( Rc + (Rb/Beta))

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audioguru

Of course you can calculate the collector voltage and current. But the hFE is anywhere from 100 to 300 so your calculation will be approximate.

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kchriste

Audio, I see you are now a "Glorious beacon of light" who even outshines Nigel, who is just really nice.

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I've only three stars, Nigel just got his forth. Too bad they don't listen to you on Electronics-LAB duck...

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He even made up another identity for himself to agree with his false statements.

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UTMonkey

Thanks KChristie - but where do I get Vbe from (remember for this example I dont have a DMM) .

Nigel Goodwin

Vbe is roughly 0.7V - it's a near enough value to use. As suggested already, the massive variation of Hfe is much more of a concern.

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UTMonkey

Of course! sometimes it really needs spelling out to me.

Sorry to be so thick!!

bear with me everyone!

UTMonkey

One thing still concerns me (at this stage) is the fact that as Nigel and AudioGuru still remind me is that gain varies wildly.

There are other diagrams such as the one shown that describe biasing, some quote the BC548 NPN.

According the the datasheet for this transisitor the dc gain for Vce=5V and Ic=2mA has a min gain of 110 and max of 800!!

How do you guys work with this variation? or is there anyway for you to design a circuit which utilises one aspect of the gain i.e. "I want this signal amplified by a factor of 200, and i know this is within transistor x, y and Z abilities so I will design my circuit to give me that every time"?

Or is this another one of my stupid questions?

Best Wishes

Mark

Nigel Goodwin

You design the circuit so it's not affected by gain variations - the circuit you posted above does this to a limited extent, due to negative feedback from collector to base. Using an emitter resistor makes it even better, adding more negative feedback - but reducing gain considerably. At sensible gains, the gain is basically dependent on the values of the collector and emitter resistors - the gain of the transistor itself obviously needs to be higher than this, but it doesn't matter how much higher.

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UTMonkey

Thanks Nigel, Harry Lythall's page does move on to emitter resistors which I am guessing do what you describe.

I just wanted to stop and absorb what I am reading- then moving on.

Mark

audioguru

The datasheet for a transistor shows a curve of its base-emitter voltage at various collector currents.

Your circuit uses a transistor with a current gain of 100 to 300. Its voltage gain is not determined by the transistor's current gain, it is determined by its internal (plus external) emitter resistance and its external negative feedback.

I simulated your circuit:
1) Near max output its distortion is terrible at about 40% and its voltage gain is 100 if the source impedance is very low so that it doesn't have any AC negative feedback.
2) I added a source impedance of 2.2k ohms so that it has plenty of AC negative feedback. Then its distortion is very low and its voltage gain is reduced to 8.6.

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UTMonkey

Thanks for the screen shots and info AudioGuru but I have to admit what you have said has completely gone over my head.

Impedance?
Distortion?
40% of what? how are you measuring it?
8.6?

I understand a little of what the capacitors are for - to (de)couple the source from the circuit though to be honest at the moment i dont know why you picked that value (or the value for the output cap)?

What did the 2.2k resistor do? why that value?

I really appreciate your efforts thus far, and I don't have a problem finding this stuff out for myself... as long as you think I am on the write track in my learning.

All the best

Mark