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Old 28th February 2007, 08:32 PM   (permalink)
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Hi,

I'm currently building an IR-decoder (38 kHz) that retransmits the info over a RS-232 connection.
This is my first project that actually uses such a large number of "pins" (40 for the PIC microcontroller plus sixteen for the max232 plus display plus the crystal, capacitors, resistors, etc.)

Currently I have the thing running on a solderless breadboard and would like to transfer the whole to one of these prefabricated PCBs (the ones with the horizontal stripes - BTW, what is the correct name in English for those things?).

I would like to "optimize" the layout before starting to solder (like trying new positions for components). Is there any free PCB layout program out there that can simplify my task?

For this project to use a layout program is almost a case of overkill, but I'd rather start early since for my next project I will certainly need it (and why not, I'm thinking about buying one of those "budget" kit with everything you need to create your own PCBs).

Some suggestions?

Thanks!

Regards,

Gonzalo
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Old 28th February 2007, 10:01 PM   (permalink)
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Hi,

I'm currently building an IR-decoder (38 kHz) that retransmits the info over a RS-232 connection.
This is my first project that actually uses such a large number of "pins" (40 for the PIC microcontroller plus sixteen for the max232 plus display plus the crystal, capacitors, resistors, etc.)

Currently I have the thing running on a solderless breadboard and would like to transfer the whole to one of these prefabricated PCBs (the ones with the horizontal stripes - BTW, what is the correct name in English for those things?).
I believe you're talking about "stripboard", also known as "Veroboard".

See more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripboard

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I would like to "optimize" the layout before starting to solder (like trying new positions for components). Is there any free PCB layout program out there that can simplify my task?

For this project to use a layout program is almost a case of overkill, but I'd rather start early since for my next project I will certainly need it (and why not, I'm thinking about buying one of those "budget" kit with everything you need to create your own PCBs).

Some suggestions?
You don't mention your operating system, so I'm gonna guess Windows of some flavour.

One idea: http://www.mitedu.freeserve.co.uk/Prac/vero/vero.html

Actual layout software, which I have never even downloaded (much less used--so YMMV): http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/verodes/index.html

This one I also have not used, but several posts online indicate that it's quite wonderful: http://web.archive.org/web/20030502...pboardMagic.zip

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Thanks!

Regards,

Gonzalo

Hope this helps get you started!

Torben

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Old 1st March 2007, 02:28 AM   (permalink)
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I would like to "optimize" the layout before starting to solder (like trying new positions for components). Is there any free PCB layout program out there that can simplify my task?

For this project to use a layout program is almost a case of overkill, but I'd rather start early since for my next project I will certainly need it (and why not, I'm thinking about buying one of those "budget" kit with everything you need to create your own PCBs).

Some suggestions?

Thanks!

Regards,

Gonzalo
I like Express PCB for making my own PCB's. It is free.
If you do a little searching, you will find lots of information on the subject and I would certainly not waste may money on any type of kit.
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Old 1st March 2007, 05:29 AM   (permalink)
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I like Express PCB for making my own PCB's. It is free.
If you do a little searching, you will find lots of information on the subject and I would certainly not waste may money on any type of kit.
True. I've heard good things about ExpressPCB but haven't tried it. For making my own PCBs I use Eagle Light on Windows and Linux, and after getting used to the interface it's serving my (rather modest) demands well. I've never used a layout program for stripboard.

You can get the free version of Eagle from http://www.cadsoft.de . You are limited to 10cm x 8cm PCB size in the free version, though.

As far at the PCB kit goes, my limited experience agrees with Rolf. Skip it and save money. I don't even bother buying the Press-n-Peel iron-on transfer paper anymore; using glossy photo paper actually gives me better results and I don't have to worry about overheating it so much. And it doesn't cost $4 a sheet.

Google for 'diy pcb' or similar and you'll get full instructions.


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Old 1st March 2007, 10:21 AM   (permalink)
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I would like to "optimize" the layout before starting to solder (like trying new positions for components). Is there any free PCB layout program out there that can simplify my task?

Not exactly free, but cheap enough to make it worth buying :

http://www.abacom-online.de/uk/html/lochmaster.html
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Not exactly free, but cheap enough to make it worth buying :

http://www.abacom-online.de/uk/html/lochmaster.html
That's what I use, I've been VERY pleased with it.
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Old 1st March 2007, 04:01 PM   (permalink)
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Thanks a lot for your ideas!!

I will try some of these software!

As for the PCB kit I was refering to, what I meant was mostly to buy the UV-lamp kit, the etching product and some kind of plastic basin for the etching process (plus some pre-sensitivized boards).

Regards,

Gonzalo
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