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Old 27th September 2006, 05:53 AM   (permalink)
Default hard drive stepper motor driver

hello all,
i have a stepper motor salvaged from old hard disk drive.i want to use this motor in some applications like propeller clock,LED pov etc.for which the motor shld be running contineously.while googling i found below ckt.
http://grant.solarbotics.net/Circuits.htm
http://grant.solarbotics.net/images/...river_ACTU.gif

i have some doubts in the circuit.
the ckt maker said
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Basically to get it going you start it at the lowest speed and slowly ramp it up with the potentiometer.
that means every time i have to start the motor slowly at low RPM?
and what shld be the value of "BUZ11 N-CH FET"
what max voltage i can feed to this ckt?
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Old 27th September 2006, 09:51 AM   (permalink)
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Your hard disk uses a stepper motor right?

Therefore it must have a stepper motor driver. I would start by Googling for the chip part numbers near the stepper motor on your hard disk and build a driver from them.

As far as your questions regarding this circuit.

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that means every time i have to start the motor slowly at low RPM?
Yes, you do, but it depends on how slowly, you might be able to replace the 10k pot with a 100uF capacitor and 10k resistor in series, the capacitor charging slope will gradually increase the duty cycle untill the motor is 95% on.

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what max voltage i can feed to this ckt?
Well the author states they've never tested it above 5V, but look at the datasheets of the componants for a clue; these can be found using Google.

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and what shld be the value of "BUZ11 N-CH FET"
well if you need to ask this then you really need to learn more, try Googling for "BUZ11 datasheet" and use a MOSFET with a similar specification.

My final question is do you actually know how this circuit works?
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Old 27th September 2006, 01:01 PM   (permalink)
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sorry i shld have red wikipedia about stepper motor first.
now i have some idea abt them.
and abt getting controller from hard disk itself i'll try that.
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Old 27th September 2006, 01:09 PM   (permalink)
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Are you sure it's a stepper?, is it from a really, really old hard disk - 5 or 10 megabytes only?, and pre-286 computers? (and certainly NOT IDE) - anything remotely 'recent' won't use a stepper motor.

I've used stepper motors from old 5-1/4 inch floppy drives, they work quite nicely and are easy to use.
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Old 27th September 2006, 03:00 PM   (permalink)
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I've used stepper motors from old 5-1/4 inch floppy drives, they work quite nicely and are easy to use.
why motor from HDD is they are quite at high RPM.is it possible with floppy motors.and what ckt did u used to run that 5-1/4 floppy motor..
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Old 27th September 2006, 03:41 PM   (permalink)
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why motor from HDD is they are quite at high RPM.is it possible with floppy motors.and what ckt did u used to run that 5-1/4 floppy motor..
The stepper is for moving the heads, not for spinning the disk - the stepper just requires four drive transistors and the correct sequence, but it's too slow for a propeller clock.

If you're looking at the spin motors?, then they are usually DC brushless designs - and a LOT more complicated to drive without the IC that's designed for it.

All you really need for a propeller clock is a standard DC motor.
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Old 10th August 2008, 02:15 AM   (permalink)
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The stepper is for moving the heads, not for spinning the disk - the stepper just requires four drive transistors and the correct sequence, but it's too slow for a propeller clock.

If you're looking at the spin motors?, then they are usually DC brushless designs - and a LOT more complicated to drive without the IC that's designed for it.

All you really need for a propeller clock is a standard DC motor.
Do you think it's possible to tap into the motor-drive IC outputs to determine the approximate position? With some trial and error, you could program a microcontroller to sense the position based on the outputs of the motor-driver, and create some nifty projects like the LED hard drive clock I've seen going around, but without using a hall-effect or optical sensor.

Any ideas?
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Old 10th August 2008, 02:29 AM   (permalink)
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The stepper is for moving the heads, not for spinning the disk
HDDs don't use steppers for the R/W-heads - far too slow. They have a very strong permanent magnet and a coil being deflected (mounted to the R/W head on a swivel) without any gear in between.

Better to use 3 1/2 or 5 1/4" floppy R/W-motors which are used together with a precision worm gear.

Make small generators easily, too.

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Old 10th August 2008, 01:36 PM   (permalink)
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HDDs don't use steppers for the R/W-heads - far too slow.
I know, that's why I specified steppers from a 5.25 inch floppy drive.

Nice strong magnets in duff HDD's though!
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Old 10th August 2008, 01:40 PM   (permalink)
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I know, that's why I specified steppers from a 5.25 inch floppy drive.

Nice strong magnets in duff HDD's though!
Drill a hole and fix a wire to it. Then stick it up your fridge. Makes moving easier.
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Old 10th August 2008, 01:51 PM   (permalink)
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Drill a hole and fix a wire to it. Then stick it up your fridge. Makes moving easier.
A friend at work took some to the pub and did tricks with them - they work really well even through a thick table!
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Old 10th August 2008, 02:42 PM   (permalink)
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i know that on an older hard drive the motor would spin up once i touched the first few pins on the ide port but it would run for a period of time and stop. if you had a 555 opening and closing the circuit on the pins it could keep it running.
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