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SPDCHK · 24th August 2006, 04:24 PM

It's reference to the size of the components. RTFS

fightstar · 17th June 2009, 02:02 PM

Non-English deleted.

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3v0 · 17th June 2009, 03:51 PM

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my problem c' is that J does not arrive has to find the libraries eagle 4.09r2 for the components tlc4950 and MINI ARDUINO, jai already tested some examples that J found on Internet but malheuresement they were compatible qu' with Eagle 5.6.0 and c' was not accepted by the version that j' , version 4.09 thus I have N C not how to find them, Ca really disturbs me, can you find me a solution?

If you can not find the part you need you can create it.

Boncuk · 17th June 2009, 04:18 PM

Hi,

the mentioned package is contained in Eagle 5.5.0 rcl.lbr.

However the order is not logical. In the list you'll find 08XX first followed by three digit numbers all starting with '1'. Scrolling further down the sequence starts again with leading zeros. Package 0207/10 is contained in the list. Click it to have the package displayed.

Then click 'Change' and select 'round'. Click on the pad and it changes from octagon to round.

Save the original package (including the change) or copy and paste it it to have two different kinds of pads for the same package. (Save the new package as 0207/10-R)

Don't forget to create a device for that resistor, using the same symbol and the new package.

Once a package is used with a device it can't be changed on the PCB.

Boncuk

fightstar · 17th June 2009, 04:19 PM

how to create in version 4.09r2?

fightstar · 17th June 2009, 05:07 PM

how to create in version 4.09r2? i've succeeded in creating the package , and the symbol but when i go to create the device and click on "add" i just cant find the symbol that i created in order to make the connections between the symbol and the package .

ps : when i go to look at the libraries i only find the package not the symbol besides him as all the components are

Boncuk · 18th June 2009, 06:41 PM

Hi fightstar,

the Eagle version you are running is really not of any importance. I'm running 3.5.5, 4.5.0 and 5.5.0 wich are almost the same with a few minor changes. (I also ran version 2.0.0 in the early 70s)

I prefer version 3.5.5 since it has less bugs than any other follow on version. Addionally it's colours are bright blue (solder side) and bright red (component side) compared with the pale colours used in succeeding versions. (not to be changed)

To create a symbol I guess there is nothing to tell about, but may be you missed an important detail: "SAVE".

Eagle goes strange ways sometimes. If you expect a symbol in alphabetic order it might appear miles behind the expected letter/number combination. (not experienced using version 3.5.5)

Just dig through your library and if the symbol is saved properly it will appear on the selection list sooner or later.

The problem is made by using ASCII code when putting (and sorting) names in the libraries, instead of logic sequence. (0 has a higher value than 1)

So, once again: dig through the library where you created the symbol. You'll find it 100%!

Regards

Boncuk

fightstar · 24th June 2009, 04:11 PM

hi i ve done my eagle steps for my schematic and the board as well i ve got 100%, now i need to convert it to excellon and gerber formats in order to order an industrial panel with my schematic on it , how ?

thanks

3v0 · 24th June 2009, 04:16 PM

I have not done it.

About all I know is that you need to run CAM job(s).

3v0

EDIT: It looks like the stuff at sparkfun is specific to their operation. But there is a tutorial on the SparkFun or BatchPCB site on the subject.

fightstar · 24th June 2009, 04:44 PM

i knw now that the cam jobs on eagle are behind the conversions but i coudnt understand the steps to work with , could anyone help me on waht can i do to convert it ?

Boncuk · 25th June 2009, 04:13 AM

Hi fightstar,

an Exellon file is nothing but a CNC drill file.

It contains a list of tools (referring to drill bit sizes without actually stating the drill diameter) and the x-y coordinates of the drills in subdivisions pointing to the selected tool.

E.g. tool size 1 refers to a drill diamter of 0.4mm in your PCB-layout. Using a 0.6mm drill for tool no. 1 all holes in the sudivision of the list will be drilled with 0.6mm diameter.

From the control panel select CAM-jobs and select Exellon. Load the board and click perform job. The program will generate a file named <boardname.drd>.

This is what it will look like:

%
M48
M72
T01C0.0236
T02C0.0320
T03C0.0360
%
T01
X10195Y2156
X16320Y3687
X17695Y3094
X20195Y2156
X21851Y4437
X21163Y4937
X23663Y4906
X18288Y6344
X17351Y7844
X20695Y8937
X20195Y10187
X18195Y10187
X11507Y8531
T02
X2695Y1375
X3695Y1375
X4695Y1375
X5695Y1375
X6695Y1375
X7695Y1375
X8695Y1375
X9695Y1375
X10695Y1375
X11695Y1375
X12695Y1375
X13695Y1375
X14695Y1375
X15695Y1375
X16695Y1375
X17695Y1375
X18695Y1375
X19695Y1375
X20695Y1375
X21695Y1375
X21695Y11375
X20695Y11375
X19695Y11375
X18695Y11375
X17695Y11375
X16695Y11375
X15695Y11375
X14695Y11375
X13695Y11375
X12695Y11375
X11695Y11375
X10695Y11375
X9695Y11375
X8695Y11375
X7695Y11375
X6695Y11375
X5695Y11375
X4695Y11375
X3695Y11375
X2695Y11375
T03
X4320Y6375
X5320Y6375
X6320Y6375
X7320Y6375
X8320Y6375
X8320Y5375
X7320Y5375
X6320Y5375
X5320Y5375
X4320Y5375
M30

Not all of the information is necessary to drill a PCB. The PCB-manufacturer normally deletes certain lines of the file (lines two (M48) and three (M72) as well as the last line (M30)

Boncuk

fightstar · 25th June 2009, 02:20 PM

thanks man i really appreciated your help man , thanks a lot

MikeyC · 14th August 2009, 12:32 PM

Hi
since this thread appears to have a number of Eagle queries, does anyone have any idea why I am getting odd pad sizes ?
Basically, I have defined an e-line transistor device which has quite close pads (1.27mm apart). In the device definition, they appear correct, but when used on a board, it looks like the diameter is being ignored and always uses auto (I have done a library update). I am using 4.16

Have I missed something obvious ?

Mike

MikeyC · 14th August 2009, 01:25 PM

Think I have found the answer - its the DRC applying a minimum size to the pads making them bigger.

Mr RB · 14th August 2009, 06:31 PM

For that application you could keep the pads the same size, just change the shape of pad 1. That's probably a more "normal" way of doing it.

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24th August 2006, 04:24 PM	#16
SPDCHK	It's reference to the size of the components. RTFS Attached Thumbnails

17th June 2009, 02:02 PM	#17
fightstar	librairies 4.09r2 Non-English deleted. Moderator. Last edited by Nigel Goodwin; 17th June 2009 at 10:10 PM.

17th June 2009, 04:18 PM	#19
Boncuk	Hi, the mentioned package is contained in Eagle 5.5.0 rcl.lbr. However the order is not logical. In the list you'll find 08XX first followed by three digit numbers all starting with '1'. Scrolling further down the sequence starts again with leading zeros. Package 0207/10 is contained in the list. Click it to have the package displayed. Then click 'Change' and select 'round'. Click on the pad and it changes from octagon to round. Save the original package (including the change) or copy and paste it it to have two different kinds of pads for the same package. (Save the new package as 0207/10-R) Don't forget to create a device for that resistor, using the same symbol and the new package. Once a package is used with a device it can't be changed on the PCB. Boncuk __________________ Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

17th June 2009, 04:19 PM	#20
fightstar	how to create in version 4.09r2?

17th June 2009, 05:07 PM	#21
fightstar	how to create in version 4.09r2? i've succeeded in creating the package , and the symbol but when i go to create the device and click on "add" i just cant find the symbol that i created in order to make the connections between the symbol and the package . ps : when i go to look at the libraries i only find the package not the symbol besides him as all the components are

18th June 2009, 06:41 PM	#22
Boncuk	Hi fightstar, the Eagle version you are running is really not of any importance. I'm running 3.5.5, 4.5.0 and 5.5.0 wich are almost the same with a few minor changes. (I also ran version 2.0.0 in the early 70s) I prefer version 3.5.5 since it has less bugs than any other follow on version. Addionally it's colours are bright blue (solder side) and bright red (component side) compared with the pale colours used in succeeding versions. (not to be changed) To create a symbol I guess there is nothing to tell about, but may be you missed an important detail: "SAVE". Eagle goes strange ways sometimes. If you expect a symbol in alphabetic order it might appear miles behind the expected letter/number combination. (not experienced using version 3.5.5) Just dig through your library and if the symbol is saved properly it will appear on the selection list sooner or later. The problem is made by using ASCII code when putting (and sorting) names in the libraries, instead of logic sequence. (0 has a higher value than 1) So, once again: dig through the library where you created the symbol. You'll find it 100%! Regards Boncuk __________________ Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

24th June 2009, 04:11 PM	#23
fightstar	hi i ve done my eagle steps for my schematic and the board as well i ve got 100%, now i need to convert it to excellon and gerber formats in order to order an industrial panel with my schematic on it , how ? thanks

24th June 2009, 04:16 PM	#24
3v0	I have not done it. About all I know is that you need to run CAM job(s). 3v0 EDIT: It looks like the stuff at sparkfun is specific to their operation. But there is a tutorial on the SparkFun or BatchPCB site on the subject. __________________ Please post questions to the forums. PM's are for personal communication. BCHS/3v0's Tutorials Junebug USB PIC programmer kit., USB Bit Whacker, The 15 Minute Printed Circuit Board! (+drill time)

24th June 2009, 04:44 PM	#25
fightstar	i knw now that the cam jobs on eagle are behind the conversions but i coudnt understand the steps to work with , could anyone help me on waht can i do to convert it ?

25th June 2009, 04:13 AM	#26
Boncuk	Hi fightstar, an Exellon file is nothing but a CNC drill file. It contains a list of tools (referring to drill bit sizes without actually stating the drill diameter) and the x-y coordinates of the drills in subdivisions pointing to the selected tool. E.g. tool size 1 refers to a drill diamter of 0.4mm in your PCB-layout. Using a 0.6mm drill for tool no. 1 all holes in the sudivision of the list will be drilled with 0.6mm diameter. From the control panel select CAM-jobs and select Exellon. Load the board and click perform job. The program will generate a file named <boardname.drd>. This is what it will look like: % M48 M72 T01C0.0236 T02C0.0320 T03C0.0360 % T01 X10195Y2156 X16320Y3687 X17695Y3094 X20195Y2156 X21851Y4437 X21163Y4937 X23663Y4906 X18288Y6344 X17351Y7844 X20695Y8937 X20195Y10187 X18195Y10187 X11507Y8531 T02 X2695Y1375 X3695Y1375 X4695Y1375 X5695Y1375 X6695Y1375 X7695Y1375 X8695Y1375 X9695Y1375 X10695Y1375 X11695Y1375 X12695Y1375 X13695Y1375 X14695Y1375 X15695Y1375 X16695Y1375 X17695Y1375 X18695Y1375 X19695Y1375 X20695Y1375 X21695Y1375 X21695Y11375 X20695Y11375 X19695Y11375 X18695Y11375 X17695Y11375 X16695Y11375 X15695Y11375 X14695Y11375 X13695Y11375 X12695Y11375 X11695Y11375 X10695Y11375 X9695Y11375 X8695Y11375 X7695Y11375 X6695Y11375 X5695Y11375 X4695Y11375 X3695Y11375 X2695Y11375 T03 X4320Y6375 X5320Y6375 X6320Y6375 X7320Y6375 X8320Y6375 X8320Y5375 X7320Y5375 X6320Y5375 X5320Y5375 X4320Y5375 M30 Not all of the information is necessary to drill a PCB. The PCB-manufacturer normally deletes certain lines of the file (lines two (M48) and three (M72) as well as the last line (M30) Boncuk __________________ Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance Last edited by Boncuk; 25th June 2009 at 04:14 AM.

25th June 2009, 02:20 PM	#27
fightstar	thanks man i really appreciated your help man , thanks a lot

14th August 2009, 12:32 PM	#28
MikeyC	Hi since this thread appears to have a number of Eagle queries, does anyone have any idea why I am getting odd pad sizes ? Basically, I have defined an e-line transistor device which has quite close pads (1.27mm apart). In the device definition, they appear correct, but when used on a board, it looks like the diameter is being ignored and always uses auto (I have done a library update). I am using 4.16 Have I missed something obvious ? Mike Attached Thumbnails

14th August 2009, 01:25 PM	#29
MikeyC	Think I have found the answer - its the DRC applying a minimum size to the pads making them bigger.

14th August 2009, 06:31 PM	#30
Mr RB	For that application you could keep the pads the same size, just change the shape of pad 1. That's probably a more "normal" way of doing it.