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Old 14th April 2006, 11:37 AM   (permalink)
Default Peak Forward DC Current of photodiode

Can anyone tell what it is meant by Peak Forward Current of photodiode..
I am using opb706A integrated IR sensor
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Old 14th April 2006, 12:22 PM   (permalink)
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it is just that the peak fwd current that that diode will withstand, there is usually a time associated with it.

All electronics are like fuses due to bond-wires and all that, pass enough current through a fuse and it... well fuses. Same is true for semiconductors

you can pass 1million amps through a small piece of wire for an extreamly short period of time with no damage its all about time


that diode would be able to take alot more for alot shorter period. Obviouly if it is hotter it can handle less (nearly all the time it is the temp that kills it be it too high temp near the silicon or the bond wires fuse)
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Old 14th April 2006, 12:26 PM   (permalink)
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i am sorry to disagree Stix it is not about TIME it is about HEAT and power a simple diode can conduct 20 amperes if you can keep it cool. time is involved only because it cannot last forever. do you agree?
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Old 14th April 2006, 12:42 PM   (permalink)
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i am sorry to disagree Stix it is not about TIME it is about HEAT and power a simple diode can conduct 20 amperes if you can keep it cool. time is involved only because it cannot last forever. do you agree?
If we're getting pedantic?, it's not about heat, it's about POWER DISSIPATION - heat is a result, not a cause.
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Old 14th April 2006, 02:41 PM   (permalink)
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i am sorry to disagree Stix it is not about TIME it is about HEAT and power a simple diode can conduct 20 amperes if you can keep it cool. time is involved only because it cannot last forever. do you agree?
IF you want to be correctly padantic its all about energy :roll:

And I suggest you go and re-read my post FULLY

If I cool a piece of wire to -55C it will fuse after a period of time, if I had the wire at +125C it to would fuse after a period of time. The times will be different BUT it will still fuse after a period of time
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Old 14th April 2006, 05:08 PM   (permalink)
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1 us width
300pps
Current : 3A

That the time that come along.
Let say I only 'on' the IR transmitter for 100us with 10% duty.
Can I pass in 1A to it..

The output I put into a ADC.
It give me a reading of 19 - 120+ with 255 --> 5V
The signal is not big enough

I connect two sensor in series..
I used Ra (diode) = 18ohm, Rb(output 1) = 330k, Rc(output2) = 330K

I try using 33k for Rb and Rc but the maximum reading is just too low.. around 90 only
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Old 14th April 2006, 05:13 PM   (permalink)
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1 us width
300pps
Current : 3A

That the time that come along.
Let say I only 'on' the IR transmitter for 100us with 10% duty.
Can I pass in 1A to it..
Yes, it's normal to pulse IR LED's at around 1A, but you need to ensure that the average current doesn't exceed the specs of the diode.
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Old 14th April 2006, 05:40 PM   (permalink)
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What do u mean by average current..
Any Formula?
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Old 14th April 2006, 05:49 PM   (permalink)
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What do u mean by average current..
Any Formula?
Average = current*mark/space
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Old 14th April 2006, 06:22 PM   (permalink)
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What is mark and space..
I turn on for 100us every 1ms
what u meant is average should not exceed Forward DC current.

How about the Load resistance. I know that rise time and fall time increase with load resistance. Is there a way to calculate how much load resistance is the best ?

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Emitter Collector Voltage 5V
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Dark Current 100nA, Vce = 5V, IF = 0;
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Old 14th April 2006, 06:41 PM   (permalink)
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you really want the RMS not the average current btw
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Old 14th April 2006, 07:56 PM   (permalink)
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What is mark and space..
Mark is ON, space is OFF.

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I turn on for 100us every 1ms
what u meant is average should not exceed Forward DC current.
Styx is correct when he says you actually need the RMS value, and NOT the average (thank you Styx) - but as long as you're not pushing the limits the average is usually near enough. In your example above, with 1A pulses, the average is 100mA.

But you also need to consider the longer term average, IR is normally sent as bursts of 38KHz modulation - so if only 50% of the time consists of these bursts, the 100mA average now falls to 50mA.
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Old 14th April 2006, 10:53 PM   (permalink)
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Actually, duty cycle is mark/(mark+space).
And the rms value of a 10% duty cycle waveform is 3.16 times the average value.
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Old 15th April 2006, 07:11 AM   (permalink)
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Ron,

Dont you mean the average voltage or current of a sine wave is .318 times the peak-to-peak value??

I thought the RMS value is 1.11 times the average value, which would be "near enough" as Nigel pointed out.

Please explain if Im wrong.
 
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Ron,

Dont you mean the average voltage or current of a sine wave is .318 times the peak-to-peak value??

I thought the RMS value is 1.11 times the average value, which would be "near enough" as Nigel pointed out.

Please explain if Im wrong.
Read the thread. It's about a 10% duty cycle current pulse waveform. I even mentioned 10% duty cycle in my post.

EDIT:
To actually calculate average power, you have to multiply rms current times rms voltage. For a nonlinear device like a diode, one or the other is not sufficient, as it is for a resistor, where you can calculate power if you know one or the other, and the resistance.
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