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mike_ss · 1st January 2006, 07:09 AM

Hi, I have been having problems reading schematics, but I think I am getting the hang of it now. Can you please take a look at the schematic and see if I have everything connected correctly? I used Express PCB to make a dummy model of what I would put on a breadboard. (Its not how I would put it on a PCB, just to see if I connected everything correctly) Also can you tell me what I sould do for pin #7 where there is the dotted line, a capacitor, then ground. Thanks a lot!

ljcox · 1st January 2006, 08:48 AM

There are several errors.
The 10 k resistor on the input should be a 10 k pot as shown on your circuit.
There should be a 4k7 resistor between pin 2 and the track you labelled as - , ie. gnd.

The cap connected to pin 7 should be 0.1 uF according to the data I have. They also state that it is optional.

There should be a 0.47 cap in series with the pot at the input.

I would also add a 10 uF bypass cap between pin 6 and gnd

mike_ss · 1st January 2006, 04:43 PM

Thanks for the help! Does this look better? I appreciate all of the input!

mstechca · 1st January 2006, 06:15 PM

Here's the answer to ljcox's suggestions, and change the obvious 4K to 4.7K.

ljcox · 1st January 2006, 09:42 PM

I agree with mstechca's corrections. The 10 k pot has 3 pins as mstechca has shown. You were showing it as a resistor. But it is a potentiometer.

Also, you have not included the 10 uF bypass cap that I mentioned.

mike_ss · 1st January 2006, 09:59 PM

I thank you guys for the help. I'm gonna try and build it now and see if it works. What exactly does the 10 uf bypass cap do? Thanks again.

mstechca · 1st January 2006, 10:34 PM

A bypass capacitor is supposed to make your battery last longer. Think of it as a secondary battery.

Also, I heard that it helps regulate voltage. Correct me if that is wrong.

Nigel makes bypass capacitors a requirement when he shows circuits.

audioguru · 2nd January 2006, 01:28 AM

A 0.1uF to 10uF supply bypass capacitor provides a high frequency low impedance for the power supply to keep the amplifier from oscillating at a high frequency. A bypass capacitor with 470uF to 1000uF holds up the supply voltage when the internal resistance increases of a battery running down.
All IC circuits need a supply bypass capacitor.

The LM386 has an input bias current of only 0.25uA so a 4.7k resistor isn't needed at pin 2. The manufacturer shows pin 2 connected to ground.

A 47uF capacitor from pin 7 to ground reduces output hum from full-wave-rectified power supply ripple 150 times. Any more than 47uF doesn't make any difference.

mike_ss · 2nd January 2006, 02:12 AM

Will the circuit work fine without the bypass capacitor? Theoretically can you connect the input of another amplifier circuit to the output of that circuit to make the amplification even greater? (look at the attached picture) Thanks

audioguru · 2nd January 2006, 02:45 AM

The 1st LM386 has a gain of 200 and is designed to drive a speaker, not a volume control. It has some noise output. The 2nd LM386 amplifies the noise from the 1st one 20 times. The output will be HISSSSSSS.
If you need a high-gain preamp then use a low-noise audio opamp.
Why do you need so much gain?

The 250uF capacitor coupling the 1st amp to the second has a high value for driving an 8 ohm speaker. Only about 0.1uF is needed to drive the 10k volume control.

Your circuit doesn't have a supply bypass capacitor so both ICs will probably oscillate at a high frequency.

The "bypass" capacitors in your circuit are to reduce mains hum. If your supply doesn't have ripple then they aren't needed.

mike_ss · 2nd January 2006, 05:51 PM

Thanks audioguru. I am just trying to learn and didn't know they worked like that. I'm still going to try and build the first one. What exactly is 'gain'? If you hook up say a CD player to a speaker, then a CD player through the amp to the speaker would it sound better then? Thanks again.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 2nd January 2006, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_ss

Thanks audioguru. I am just trying to learn and didn't know they worked like that. I'm still going to try and build the first one. What exactly is 'gain'? If you hook up say a CD player to a speaker, then a CD player through the amp to the speaker would it sound better then? Thanks again.

'Gain' is how many times it amplifies - but there are essentially two types, voltage gain, and power gain. Generally a preamp gives voltage gain, and a power amp gives voltage gain AND power gain.

If you connect a CD player to a speaker you will get next to nothing, the voltage output is low, and the power output is even lower, far too low to feed a speaker.

audioguru · 2nd January 2006, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_ss

If you hook up say a CD player to a speaker, then a CD player through the amp to the speaker would it sound better then?

If the CD player is a portable one that is designed for earphones, then two LM386 little amps for stereo will play speakers not very loud, they are only 0.5W each with a 9V supply.
If the CD player already has a stereo power amp in it then adding a pair of little LM386 amps for stereo will sound much worse.

mstechca · 2nd January 2006, 10:33 PM

and get rid of RL that is connected in parallel with your speaker or you are asking to drain the battery some more, if RL is low enough (< 8 ohms).

audioguru · 2nd January 2006, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mstechca

and get rid of RL that is connected in parallel with your speaker or you are asking to drain the battery some more, if RL is low enough (< 8 ohms).

RL is the heater that keeps it nice and warm. :lol:

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1st January 2006, 08:48 AM	(permalink)
ljcox	There are several errors. The 10 k resistor on the input should be a 10 k pot as shown on your circuit. There should be a 4k7 resistor between pin 2 and the track you labelled as - , ie. gnd. The cap connected to pin 7 should be 0.1 uF according to the data I have. They also state that it is optional. There should be a 0.47 cap in series with the pot at the input. I would also add a 10 uF bypass cap between pin 6 and gnd __________________ Len

1st January 2006, 09:42 PM	(permalink)
ljcox	I agree with mstechca's corrections. The 10 k pot has 3 pins as mstechca has shown. You were showing it as a resistor. But it is a potentiometer. Also, you have not included the 10 uF bypass cap that I mentioned. __________________ Len

1st January 2006, 09:59 PM	(permalink)
mike_ss	I thank you guys for the help. I'm gonna try and build it now and see if it works. What exactly does the 10 uf bypass cap do? Thanks again.

1st January 2006, 10:34 PM	(permalink)
mstechca	A bypass capacitor is supposed to make your battery last longer. Think of it as a secondary battery. Also, I heard that it helps regulate voltage. Correct me if that is wrong. Nigel makes bypass capacitors a requirement when he shows circuits. __________________ -=: The best low-priced components to troubleshoot with are the speaker and the LED :=-

2nd January 2006, 01:28 AM	(permalink)
audioguru	A 0.1uF to 10uF supply bypass capacitor provides a high frequency low impedance for the power supply to keep the amplifier from oscillating at a high frequency. A bypass capacitor with 470uF to 1000uF holds up the supply voltage when the internal resistance increases of a battery running down. All IC circuits need a supply bypass capacitor. The LM386 has an input bias current of only 0.25uA so a 4.7k resistor isn't needed at pin 2. The manufacturer shows pin 2 connected to ground. A 47uF capacitor from pin 7 to ground reduces output hum from full-wave-rectified power supply ripple 150 times. Any more than 47uF doesn't make any difference. __________________ Uncle $crooge

2nd January 2006, 02:45 AM	(permalink)
audioguru	The 1st LM386 has a gain of 200 and is designed to drive a speaker, not a volume control. It has some noise output. The 2nd LM386 amplifies the noise from the 1st one 20 times. The output will be HISSSSSSS. If you need a high-gain preamp then use a low-noise audio opamp. Why do you need so much gain? The 250uF capacitor coupling the 1st amp to the second has a high value for driving an 8 ohm speaker. Only about 0.1uF is needed to drive the 10k volume control. Your circuit doesn't have a supply bypass capacitor so both ICs will probably oscillate at a high frequency. The "bypass" capacitors in your circuit are to reduce mains hum. If your supply doesn't have ripple then they aren't needed. __________________ Uncle $crooge

2nd January 2006, 05:51 PM	(permalink)
mike_ss	Thanks audioguru. I am just trying to learn and didn't know they worked like that. I'm still going to try and build the first one. What exactly is 'gain'? If you hook up say a CD player to a speaker, then a CD player through the amp to the speaker would it sound better then? Thanks again.

2nd January 2006, 10:33 PM	(permalink)
mstechca	and get rid of RL that is connected in parallel with your speaker or you are asking to drain the battery some more, if RL is low enough (< 8 ohms). __________________ -=: The best low-priced components to troubleshoot with are the speaker and the LED :=-