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    Adjusting Sensitivity of Photo Transistor?

    I have been using photo transistors lately as part of a laser beam detector device. The problem is that my transistor is not sensitive enough. The laser has to be directly into the transistor for it to turn on. In the datasheet, it says that I can use the base leg (that is currently unused) to adjust the sensitivity of it. I don't understand how I would do this. In the past I would always just connect a resistor to either P or N and the other end of the resistor to the base of the transistor to turn it on or off. I never did any half-way stuff.

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    The base of a phototransistor is used to decrease its sensitivity.
    A laser beam is very directional so of course must be shining directly on the phototransistor.

    You could amplify the output of the phototransistor with an ordinary transistor. Then you might have sensitivity to temperature changes or ambient light.
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    Actually I am already amplifying the output with a transistor. Perhaps 2? Or perhaps I just have an unsteady hand. I need to do a test with everything set up, not me trying to keep my hand steady.

    And I forgot to post this earlier, but here is the datasheet of my photo transistor.

    http://www.jameco.com/wcsstore/Jamec...dDS/120221.PDF

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    Hi Adam,
    Your phototransistor has a focussing lens in it. Therefore the laser must be directly in front of it for max sensitivity. If it is off to the side only 10 degrees, then the output is half. Maybe you could shine a laser beam on it with it directly in front of you, but far away, for target practice or something. :lol:

    The phototransistor is most sensitive to infrared. At the red wavelength of a laser its output is almost only half.
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    I would suggest you get a Better Photo-Transistor for the Visable Red Laser, Such as a 2N5777.

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    Thanks for the help, I didn't really understand that stuff until now. I think my biggest problem is the angle part. I am too shaky to keep it in the right spot. After I get everything installed, it should be alright.

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    I think your Biggest Problem is the Wrong Photo Transistor.
    The one your Using is best for UV Light.

    Thats like using a Skate Board instead of a car to go get your weekly groceries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chemelec
    I think your Biggest Problem is the Wrong Photo Transistor.
    The one your Using is best for UV Light.
    Sorry Gary, no. This phototransistor responds best to light with a long wavelength, like infrared. Ultraviolet has a short wavelength. Visible light is in between. :lol:
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    Quote Originally Posted by audioguru
    The base of a phototransistor is used to decrease its sensitivity.
    That doesnt sound right to me..
    because ,say that you set the bias current to some fixed level below the actual turn on point ..
    then adding light will push it into the active region .
    i dont see how you could possibly bias it to make it less sensetive.. :lol:

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    audioguru: Sorry Gary, no. This phototransistor responds best to light with a long wavelength, like infrared. Ultraviolet has a short wavelength. Visible light is in between.
    I Thought this guy was using a "Visible RED Laser Light"?

    If So, it appears Off of the Sensitivity Region. According to that Graph that was also Posted by someone else????.

    Correct me if I'm Wrong!

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    Infrared peaks at 850nm which is where adamthole's detector is ,
    adamthole did not say what wavelength he was using..

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    Hi Willi,
    A phototransistor has a "dark current" which is its leakage when dark. So it is already conducting and doesn't have a threshold. Adding some base current with a biasing resistor to the positive supply will only increase its idle current without increasing its sensitivity to light.
    Using a resistor from its base to emitter will decrease its sensitivity because more light is required to create a voltage drop across the resistor, causing a threshold before the phototransistor begins to conduct.
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    This is how it works ..
    the collector current increases as the light intensity increases , as it should ..
    and THE BASE CURRENT is proportional to the the light intensity

    Hi Willi,
    A phototransistor has a "dark current" which is its leakage when dark. So it is already conducting and doesn't have a threshold. Adding some base current with a biasing resistor to the positive supply will only increase its idle current without increasing its sensitivity to light.
    Using a resistor from its base to emitter will decrease its sensitivity because more light is required to create a voltage drop across the resistor, causing a threshold before the phototransistor begins to conduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chemelec
    I would suggest you get a Better Photo-Transistor for the Visable Red Laser, Such as a 2N5777.

    Gary
    Where would I get one of those, I checked my 3 main suppliers (Mouser, Digi-Key, and Jameco) and none of them had it, or atleast I didn't find it. When I did a search on google for it I just got all of those sites that list as many part numbers as possible, and are basically useless. Thanks for the info though. When I bought the phototransistor I am using from jameco I thought it was best for visable light. I'll have to memorize the color wavelengths.

    Thanks!

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    You could use an LDR, they tend to be easier to use with a laser pointer.

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