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For parallel circuits: Does a inductor have conductance? Does a inductor have Susceptance? Does a inductor have Admittance? Does a Capacitor have conductance? Does a Capacitor have Susceptance? Does a Capacitor have Admittance? Why is conductance,susceptance,admittance only for parrallel circuit and not for series circuits ? Is conductance,susceptance,admittance frequency based? What does conductance,susceptance,admittance do really? | |
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Look, in the first circuit (empedance circuit) the empedance Z = V/ I = R + j(XL - Xc). In here, R is the resitance and (XL-Xc) is the reactance. And the admitance Y = I/V = 1/Z = 1/(R+j(XL-Xc)). Or look at the second circuit (admitance circuit), in here Y = I/V = G + jB. G is the conductance (1/R) and G is the susceptance (1/XL - 1/Xc). And inductor has an inductance and a capacitor has a capacitance. Is it clear enough? | |
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Thanks for the pictures I got those in my electronics book also but i still don't know what these terms do really why did they called them different names if they mean the same thing ? These terms must "Function" differently? What are there functions? | |
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Conductance, susceptance, and admittance are sometimes called the "evil twins" of resistance, reactance, and impedance, capacitive susceptance (BC) and inductive susceptance (BL). Take the reciprocal- Why is that to take the reciprocal? **Whats the difference between Conductance, susceptance, and admittance VS resistance, reactance, and impedance? | |
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Resistance reactance and impedance are ways to measure how much a certain device LIMITS current. Conductance susceptance and admittance are ways to measure how well a certain device CONDUCTS current. I think I'm right here, but don't go believinng me until someone says that I am :lol:
__________________ I'm no electronics god, i just talk too much. | ||
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Why would they be opposite? because the components are in parrallel and not in series? | |
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To get this event, i must tell you about something. Now, suppose that we have a circuit, N circuit as you can see in the picture. It may contain more than one inputs or outputs, for instance, this circuit has 2 inputs and 2 outputs, this is called as "with 2 gates circuit". For this circuit (and also for all of the circuits has more than 1 gate) there are 6 six parameters, these are : 1-Empedance parameters [Z matrice], 2-Admitance parameters [Y matrice], 3-Hybrid parameters [h matrice], 4-Transmission parameters [g matrice], 5-Chain parameters and 6- Reverse chain parameters. 1-Empedance parameters (these are matrices) : | V1 | = | Z11 Z12 | . | I1 | | V2 | | Z21 Z22 | | I2 | 2- Admitance parameters : | I1 | = | Y11 Y12 | . | V1 | | I2 | | Y21 Y22 | | V2 | 3-Hybrid (h) parameters : | V1 | = | h11 h12 | . | I1 | | I2 | | h21 h22 | | V2 | 4-Transmission (g) parameters : | I1 | = | g11 g12 | . | V1 | | V2 | | g21 g22 | | I1 | In matrices "1" indicates the first gate (1st input and 1st output) and "2" indicates the second gate (2nd input and 2nd output). In some circuits the empedance values may be important for you, or Y parameters, or h parameters may be. You can use one of them for the circuit you're analysing, it depends on what you want to do. For instance, a transistor is modelled as h parameters, cause it has 2 gates (input circuit and the output circuit). You can see it in the 2nd picture. This is a common emitter transistor AC model (or equivalent circuit) for small and middle frequency signals. In here hie's unit is ohm, it's called as "input empedance" [Vbe/Ib, like V1/I1]. hoe's unit is siemens (1/ohm), and it's called as "output admitance" [Ic/Vce, like I2/V2]. hfe and hre are constant, hfe is "forward current gain" [Ic/Ib, like I2/I1]. hre is "reverse voltage gain" [Vbe/Vce, like V1/V2]. These are the specific parameters for a transistor (hie, hoe, hfe, hre) like as "h11,h12,h21,h22". Also you can consider the capacitance values for the transistor (espacially in higher frequencies). These are inner capacitance of the transistor. But for that (if you consider the capacitance values) you must model the transistor with another model, for instance "pi model". There will be series and shunts capacitors in the circuit equivalent. Here the capacitance (reactance or suspedance) values must be considered. I wish you understood better now. | |
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Thanks for helping me out alot How is this conductance,susceptance,admittance used and measured for DC? How is this conductance,susceptance,admittance used and measured for AC? | |
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G, B & Y are normally used for parallel circuits since it is easier. eg. for 2 resistors in parallel, G = G1 + G2. If you did it in resistance, it is R = 1/(1/R1 + 1/R2). The same applies to reactance/susceptance and impedence/admittance. for example 2 impedences in parallel Z = 1/(1/Z1 + 1/Z2). etc. Len | ||
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So are they the same thing or are they different?
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G = 1/R, B = 1/X and Y = 1/Z. You use which ever one is convenient for the problem at hand. Len | ||
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Z(impedance)= R(resistance) + jX(reactance) Y(admittance)=G(conductance)+jB (susceptance) Is Impedance the same as admittance? is Resistance the same as conductance? is reactance the same as susceptance? They seem opposite to me like conductance is way different from resistance Applied: What is admittance? 1.) applied to a AC circuit in series or in parallel 2.) what is Addmittance mean for a capacitor or inductor What is Susceptance? 1.) applied to a AC circuit in series or in parallel 2.) what is susceptance mean for a capacitor or inductor | |
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I still don't see why you are having a problem. They are simply reciprocals of each other as I said in my previous. So if Z = R + j X then Y = 1/(R + j X) = (R - j X)/(R^2 + X^2) So G = R/(R^2 + X^2) and B = - j X/(R^2 + X^2) Len | |
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But what does reciprocals mean in this way ? because this is applied reciprocals Like a resistor has resistance and conductance When i put my meter on the resistor i measure resistance how can i measure the conductance? A capacitor has capacitance and conductance how do i measure the conductance from the capacitor? A inductor has inductance and conductance how do i measure the conductance from a inductor? admittance,conductance,susceptance how are these terms applied to a circuit i never measured these before so i don't know how these terms affect a circuit or what they do really admittance what is its function in a circuit? conductance what is its function in a circuit? susceptance what is its function in a circuit? | |
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Whats the difference between Admittance VS Impedance? 1.) A measure of the ability of a reactive circuit to permit current 2.) The reciprocal of impedance 3.) ( Y ) Whats the Difference between Conductance (G) VS Resistance? 1.) The ability of a circuit to allow current 2.) The reciprocal of resistance Inductive Susceptance (B)(L) 1.) The Ability of a inductor to "PERMIT" current 2.) The reciprocal of inductive reactance Capacitive Susceptance (B)(c) 1.) The Ability of a capacitor to "PERMIT" current 2.) The reciprocal of capacitive reactance This is my main problem is this :Conductance (G) is the reciprocal of resistance: What does this mean the reciprocal of resistance What is conductance? is Conductance a.) ohms? b.) what is it really? Does the reciprocal- mean its the opposite of resistance? :Susceptance (B) is the reciprocal of reactance: What does this mean the reciprocal of reactance What is susceptance? is susceptance a.) ohms? b.) reactance buts its not reactance its a different kind of reactance but what kind i never measured this for a circuit im new to this susceptance reactance? : Admittance (Y) is the reciprocal of impedance : What does this mean the reciprocal of impedance? What is admittance is admittance a.) ohms? b.) impedance but what kind is this "admittance impedance"? | |
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