Electronic Circuits and Projects Forum



test procedure revisited

12 Last »
  1. #1
    peter g peter g is offline

    test procedure revisited

    hi ron, my original post asked for a circuit to test uln2003 chips. i put together the circuit you so kindly provided. i tested the circuit with a known good uln 2300. i can get all the led's to flash except for the led's connected to pins 11 & 10. tried several different new chips with same result. need help figuring this out. thanks. pg

  2. #2
    Reloadron Reloadron is offline
    I happen to stumble upon this thread because of the title.

    I remember the old thread. I put a circuit together as I recall using a 4017 to drive the ULN2003 chip. That is strange as pins 11 & 10 would be the pins 6 & 7 inputs. See the attached as I found some remnants of the circuit I suggested. Just peculiar the first inputs / outputs work and the last two don't work. If you have a meter depending on how you are clocking the 4017 you could see if the input pins are going high when they should?

    Ron
    Attached Images
    0
    Please do not PM me with forum related questions. Let's keep things in the open forum. Thank you.

  3. Thread Starter #3
    peter g peter g is offline
    hi ron, yes it is strange. i'am going to check some voltages as you suggest. will post back. i also have another question. can you explain the operation and purpose of a PC814 opto-isolator?
    0

  4. #4
    Reloadron Reloadron is offline
    Hi Peter

    If we look at the data sheet for the PC814 series we notice it has two LED emitters placed back to back. The incorporating of two LED emitters rather than a single makes it useful for AC signals. If we apply an alternating current to a single LED emitter opto coupler we get pulses out on the alternate half cycles of the AC input when the LED is forward biased. Using two emitter LEDs back to back in a single package we get a constant output for the AC input since each LED will conduct on alternate half cicles. One or the other is always on.

    Ron
    0
    Please do not PM me with forum related questions. Let's keep things in the open forum. Thank you.

  5. Thread Starter #5
    peter g peter g is offline
    hi ron, o.k. the problem turned out to be a wiring error i made. now all led,s attached to the uln flash. i read your info on the pc814. very interesing. how and why would this opto be used? thank you.
    0

  6. #6
    Reloadron Reloadron is offline
    Glad that worked out.

    Generally in the wonderful world of opto couplers we like to think of them as used in DC applications. However, there are applications where an AC signal may be present and we need to use it. For example a ring signal on a phone line. The ring signal is an AC sine wave riding on a DC level. I could block the DC component using a capacitor to pass only the AC ring signal and divide that AC down and pass it along to the opto coupler designed for AC. I could then detect the AC ring signals on a phone line. Sort of abstract example but it came to mind. There are plenty of other uses, I believe the data sheet mentions common applications.

    Ron
    0
    Please do not PM me with forum related questions. Let's keep things in the open forum. Thank you.

  7. Thread Starter #7
    peter g peter g is offline
    will check applications on data sheet. these opto's are being used in a hot tub power board. any ideas why? my problem and anyone"s problem who work on these boards is that the manufacturer of this board absolutely refuses to offer any troubleshooting or schematics for them. hence, the only thing available to a repair person is to try to understand the operation of the componets. thanks again. pg
    0

  8. #8
    Reloadron Reloadron is offline
    Hard to call or say how they are using them without a schematic. With things like this the best shot is looking at the board and trying to map things out. From the data sheet we know the input and output of the opto so it is a matter of what feeds it and what the out is connected to. What exactly does the board do? Also, many of today's hot tubs get pretty elaborate with switching pumps etc as well as temp control.

    Ron
    0
    Please do not PM me with forum related questions. Let's keep things in the open forum. Thank you.

  9. Thread Starter #9
    peter g peter g is offline
    hi ron, there are 2 control sections in every hot tub. one is called the topside controller. this is the owners interface to various functions. bubbles, jets, temp control, time of day, etc. this unit consists of an lcd driver, an eprom and a pic microcontroller. the second control board is called the power board. it consists of the relays that control the pumps, it consists of lots of pc814 optos, triac for blower motor, it also supplies power to the topside. it also has a pic micro. no eprom. it has a heater element that heats the water(draws tons of current 20 plus amps). thats pretty much it.
    0

  10. #10
    Reloadron Reloadron is offline
    Hi Peter

    Sans a drawing these things are almost impossible to figure out. You can look at known parts and guess how a board works but that is about as good as it gets depending on one's skill level. Like you mentioned seeing the triacs for the blower motor. Funny a hot tub came up as I see one in the near future with a new deck in the yard.

    Ron
    0
    Please do not PM me with forum related questions. Let's keep things in the open forum. Thank you.

12 Last »
Tags
Similar Threads
Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
test procedure peter g General Electronics Chat 9 12th March 2012, 11:21 PM
How can I test this circuit??? thebigbasicq General Electronics Chat 5 22nd May 2003, 10:54 PM
How can I test this circuit??? thebigbasicq Electronic Projects Design/Ideas/Reviews 11 2nd May 2003, 09:59 AM
ASCII Symbols Test kinjalgp General Electronics Chat 9 1st February 2003, 06:15 PM
review book/test sycon8 General Electronics Chat 1 12th December 2002, 03:06 PM
Electronic Circuits  |  Learning Electronics

Join our community with over 100,000 Members! It's free, easy and when you're logged in you have many more features! Click to register.
Page Time: 0.07595 seconds      Memory: 7,640 KB      Queries: 17      Templates: 0