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Old 26th November 2004, 07:35 AM   (permalink)
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Would a power amplifier be needed for transmission of only around 5-10m?

How do i know the power needed for transmission within this range?
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Old 26th November 2004, 07:53 AM   (permalink)
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Um would a single transistor amplifier suffice?
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Transmission of what?.

RF, IR, audio, data?.

Assuming you're talking RF, you should use the pre-built licence free RF modules - this takes care of all the tricky RF stuff, and prevents you requiring a licence.
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Would a power amplifier be needed for transmission of only around 5-10m?

How do i know the power needed for transmission within this range?
Just checking, does the "m" mean meters or miles?
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Old 26th November 2004, 08:12 AM   (permalink)
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Oops forgot. 5-10 metres. It is a 27Mhz low level AM. I am learning to build a simple one so not planning to buy.
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Don't forget to tune the transmission medium (antanna> REC and Trans) for 27MHz.
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How do i know the power needed for transmission within this range?
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Old 14th December 2004, 11:06 PM   (permalink)
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To know the range of a transmitter, you also have to consider the receiver and the antennae at the transmitter and the receiver.

If the sensitivity of the receiver is poor, you will need more transmitter power.
If either of the antennae are poor, you will need more transmitter power.

The free space path loss between two antennae can be calculated using the formula

path loss (dB) = 32.45 + 20 log(f) + 20 log(d)

where F is in Mhz and d is in km.

But this wont do much good in this case because the transmitter and receiver are so close, 10metres. When the distance is less than about 10 wavelengths, we are in what is known as the "near field" and we dont have a true electromagnetic field which obeys nice simple equations. (The wavelength of 27Mhz is about 11 metres).

To give a feel for how little power is required for what you want to do, I did a test.
Using a scanning receiver with a 57cm long antenna, and a signal generator with a 80cm long antenna. I put them about 5 metres apart and adjusted the output power of the signal generator and listened. The frequency I used was 27.1Mhz.

With 1 micro watt from the generator, there was a noisy signal at the receiver.
With 0.1 milli watt from the generator, there was a nice quiet signal at the receiver.

A simple 1 transistor oscillator should give you several milli watts. You may also have a few other problems like frequency drift, but it will be an interesting learning adventure for you!

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Old 15th December 2004, 09:35 AM   (permalink)
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thanks for the information!
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