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  1. Thread Starter #31
    salty joe salty joe is offline
    Ron, that does help-thanks.

    Collin, thanks for the update. Does your circuit allow for independent control of both run time and not run time? How come the IC is connected differently in the two schematics?

    Alec, I had a hard time opening the updated asc file, but finally got it opened and printed. Wow, you not only made a schematic you also made a plan for the build. As a total beginner I need that. Thank you very much. The updated circuit will control one pump, is that right? On the first circuit that controls four pumps, can each pump be independantly controlled?

    Joe
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  2. #32
    colin55 colin55 is offline
    The 74c14 has 6 gates (Schmitt Inverters) Each trim pot controls the on or off time
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  3. Thread Starter #33
    salty joe salty joe is offline
    Thanks. How come the IC is connected in a different way on each schematic?
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  4. #34
    alec_t alec_t is offline
    The updated circuit will control one pump, is that right?
    I don't recall updating my circuit. Mine controls 4 pumps.
    On the first circuit that controls four pumps, can each pump be independantly controlled?
    No. You specified that the pumps would be operated in pairs. U3 and U4 independently control the 'on' and 'off' times of the first pair (pumps 1 and 2). U5 and U6 independently control the 'on' and 'off' times of the second pair (pumps 3 and 4). It would, however, be a simple matter to extend the circuit so that all four pumps had independent control.
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    My circuit designs should be regarded as experimental. Although they work in simulation, their component values may need altering or additional components may occasionally be necessary when the circuit is built. Due safety precautions should be taken with any circuit involving mains voltage or electrostatic-sensitive components.
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  5. #35
    ()blivion ()blivion is offline
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    Edit: The following comments assume that your asking about the difference between the left and right side of colin55's schematic. And not actually talking about the difference between colin55's schematic and alec_t's schematic, which in fact uses a different but similar part. However, the point I make about needing to power the chip is still valid for both situations.
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    "How come the IC is connected in a different way on each schematic?"

    It's not really connected differently, that's just a power wire for the 74C14 chip. It's omitted in the right side of the picture because one 74C14 chip has 6 "gates" (the triangle shapes) for every two power wires, so the left side covers it. The 74C14 is not quite like a resistor or capacitor that can just be inserted into a circuit some where and work. It needs to have it's own power to do what it does. Most schematics are less than obvious about that because it's considered common knowledge, even if I would prefer they didn't do that.

    What follows is a link showing you the guts of the 74C14 and some different ways to hook them up. In the first picture you can clearly see that pin 7 is a power wire and is connected to ground, just like in the left side of colin55's schematic. Also, the commentary for the third and fourth picture down briefly explains colin55's circuit. You can ignore the rest of the web page.

    http://talkingelectronics.com/ChipDa...tml/74C14.html
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    Last edited by ()blivion; 6th January 2012 at 08:30 PM.

  6. #36
    alec_t alec_t is offline
    Here's the extended circuit to give separate control of both the 'on' and 'off' periods of four pumps completely independently. Note that the pumps are each represented here as an inductor in series with a resistor. BTW, the 'asc' file that you had difficulty opening is for running a simulation of the previous circuit in LTSpice.
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    Last edited by alec_t; 6th January 2012 at 04:05 PM.
    My circuit designs should be regarded as experimental. Although they work in simulation, their component values may need altering or additional components may occasionally be necessary when the circuit is built. Due safety precautions should be taken with any circuit involving mains voltage or electrostatic-sensitive components.
    Alec's First Law:-
    Every problem has a solution (given the right information and resources).

  7. #37
    ronv ronv is offline
    Alec,
    Since the 12 volts is only running 1 CMOS IC how about just a zener regulator?
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  8. #38
    alec_t alec_t is offline
    Yes, a simple zener reg could do it. I was feeling generous with the mA ;-)
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    My circuit designs should be regarded as experimental. Although they work in simulation, their component values may need altering or additional components may occasionally be necessary when the circuit is built. Due safety precautions should be taken with any circuit involving mains voltage or electrostatic-sensitive components.
    Alec's First Law:-
    Every problem has a solution (given the right information and resources).

  9. Thread Starter #39
    salty joe salty joe is offline
    Thanks ()blivion for the explanation.
    Alec, I saw the simulation of the previous circuit in LTSpice & thought it was another cicuit altogether, which kinda threw me- thanks for clearing that up. I'll probably build your schematic that controls the pumps in pairs first, the second one will most definitely be useful too.
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  10. #40
    alec_t alec_t is offline
    I'll probably build your schematic that controls the pumps in pairs first
    In that case, here's a revised form of the 2-pairs circuit which includes IC pin numbers and constructional notes. It incorporates Ronv's suggestion for a simplified 12V supply.
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    My circuit designs should be regarded as experimental. Although they work in simulation, their component values may need altering or additional components may occasionally be necessary when the circuit is built. Due safety precautions should be taken with any circuit involving mains voltage or electrostatic-sensitive components.
    Alec's First Law:-
    Every problem has a solution (given the right information and resources).

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