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What is the best method to control a universal motor (1/4hp) with feedback?

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  1. #11
    cachehiker cachehiker is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by bigal_scorpio View Post
    The motor is an old washing machine motor.

    So do you think there will be any bearing current through this at 230vDC?
    Yes, but washing machine motors are usually designed with bigger bearings so I wouldn't expect it to be a problem unless you intend to run it continuously for months or years at a time. If it's a pump motor, it may not even be rated for continuous operation.
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  2. Thread Starter #12
    bigal_scorpio bigal_scorpio is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by jpanhalt View Post
    I have never paid more than $120 USD for any of them and usually much less.

    John
    Hi John,

    You must have a lot more ready cash about than me, if I ever spent that much on a project my missus would be at the solicitors for divorce papers before I had finished it! hehehe

    Al
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  3. Thread Starter #13
    bigal_scorpio bigal_scorpio is offline
    Hi Guys,
    Just a follow on question. Since I have never rectified mains AC without a transformer I am not sure how to go about it. After the transformer and rectifier I usually have a smooting cap and usually a decoupler too.

    With such high voltage and a load approaching .5kW I am worried about getting things right first time so if anyone can push me in the right direction as to the needs of the motor and the best smoothing values (if needed) I would be a lot more secure.

    Al
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  4. #14
    pilko pilko is offline
    Listen well to cachehiker ! Shaft/bearing currents can be a real problem when using high frequency PWM drives. I am currently replacing bearings every 3 months on my furnace fan motor.

    pilko
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  5. Thread Starter #15
    bigal_scorpio bigal_scorpio is offline
    Hi Guys,

    Pilko, if I ever get the sander working it should only get a few hours use per year! Unless I start cutting things too big on a more regular basis. hehehe

    Seriously it would only be used maybe a few minutes at a time, it is only for fine tolerance stuff where the belt sander is too harsh.

    But I do need advice on the switching guys.

    Happy Holidays Al
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    Last edited by bigal_scorpio; 25th December 2011 at 05:18 PM.
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    pilko pilko is offline
    "I am an insomniac, but I don't lose sleep over it!" ---- LOL Love it
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  7. #17
    cachehiker cachehiker is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by pilko View Post
    I am currently replacing bearings every 3 months on my furnace fan motor.
    I'd be embarking on a quest to find a better fan motor.

    There is simply such a thing as motors that have been optimized (cost reduced) for strictly pure DC or 50/60Hz AC applications. Bearings in such motors will simply not stand up to use with inverter/PWM drives when the motor frame is grounded. There are times when even isolated mounts and shaft grounding brushes aren't enough.

    The biggest thing to remember about rectified line voltages is both supply rails end up hot. With 230VAC, the positive one will settle in at +160VDC relative to ground and the negative one at -160VDC. The processor will likely share its negative supply rail with the rectified line. Pushbuttons, displays, potentiometers, and such that are connected to the processor will be shock hazards unless they're optically or otherwise isolated. Disconnecting the processor from the mains for a while (depends on how fast it discharges) before connecting it to the USB port or your computer for programming is MANDATORY unless you have and abundance of computers at your disposal. Connecting a grounded computer to a hot rail will let the magic smoke out. You might be able to salvage some drives or some memory, but the motherboard will likely be roached. This makes debugging a major pain so concentrate on writing robust or easily testable code the first time.
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  8. #18
    pilko pilko is offline
    Thanks cachehiker,
    I am starting a new thread so as not to hijack this one. --title "Motor Shaft Currents".

    pilko
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