ok all this started as a fun little joke. Everyone takes the piss out of everyone (one thing us brits are very good at).

But this has gone from harmless fun to a political rant.

bmcculla you cannot deny that Bush's forign policy has made the world a very dangerous place

 

While I don't think Bush is a monkey, I'm pretty sure the people behind him have most of the brains. But he's got my vote over the flip-flopper anyday.

As for France and Germany being allies, come on, you can't really believe they would do anything to help us. They both sold weapons to Iraq in violation of the UN sanctions. If it wasn't for France promising to use it's veto power to protect Saddam from an invasion we would have had succesful inspections and would not have needed to go to war.

 

US "sold" WMD to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, The also sold other weopons during the Iran-Iraq war when Iraq was in favour with the US

That aguement does not stand

 

Who is to say that it wasn't dangerous before Bush took over?
We took the fight to the terrorists, now instead of trying to come over here they all flock to iraq and our Marines can pop em off.

I don't think we are over extended, and there is NO way we are uncapable of carrying out action against other countrys. You may think that because the government wants to get the job done over there with as few troops as nessesary. I'm sure there are plenty of reserves to call up if needed, and if need be, they can always reinstitute the draft.

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To the optimist, the glass is half full.
To the pessimist, the glass is half empty.
To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

We may have sold them those weapons styx, but not in violation of UN sanctions and certainly not to use against someone we claim is an ally.

 

John Edwards made quite a statement during the last debate!! Now Kerry can raise people from the dead and make them walk!! Wow!! He promised that if Kerry was elected he would 'make people like Christopher Reeves walk again' Hmmm thats quite a statement since Chris Reeves is no longer with us. Do you really want someone like that for a president? I'm not even old enough to vote and I can see that he's an ass. :roll: Peace my friends and no hard feelings. Everone has their own opinion.

 

Lets put it this way

It doesnt matter who you vote for, you will always end up with "the goverement"

 

People in hostile nations and territories, Like China, North Korea, Massachussets and California want Kerry for president. That's all I need to know.

I think it's funny how "those people" say Bush is so stupid, but still he seems to know everything! He knew Iraq didn't have WMDs (why did we think Iraq had WMDs? Because they acted like they did! Did everyone forget that?!) He knew that 9-11 was going to happen. He knew North Korea was working on nuclear weapons (thanks Bill Freakin' Clinton for giving them the technology!). Dang, Bush is pretty smart, huh?!

j.

 

Wow, a political discussion, people on different sides -and I completely agree with everything said in the last three posts.

I think there are more brains on this board than in any government.

 

Well, I think a majority of us are, or in my case, soon to be engineers. 8)

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To the optimist, the glass is half full.
To the pessimist, the glass is half empty.
To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

Can ANYBODY remember the original question? (no, don't look back, be honest!)

I wonder if we should have a 'Rants' page for threads like this :?:

I've got to side with Styx' comment - after all, if it made any difference they wouldn't LET you vote! (the civil service don't get elected in-and-out of office so who do they serve?)
Sorry - I've seen too much 'Yes Minister' on telly to take politics seriously! http://www.yes-minister.com/introduc.htm

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A president is damned if he does and damned if doesn't. Iraq may have been a mistake but you can only say that now because of what we know now. At the time it was right, and rather than make our troops feel like they have suffered for nothing, Bush looks at things optomistically. If Bush wouldn't have invaded Iraq people wouldve called him weak and said he doesn't care about this countries safety. After all a majority of Americans supported the war at that time. Also if Kerry wouldve been president for the last 4 years he wouldve done the exact same thing, and we know this for a fact. So what it comes down to is no matter who is president, a large portion of the world will have a problem with them. Only history can dictate a presidents success and failures. Just like Reagan, Eisenhower etc.

 

I'm sure the troops can see the good that they are doing over there. We think it's a mess because the media mainly covers the bad stuff. They get to see the people that they are helping first hand, and there are a few bad apples of course.

Also, it's not the just the President that decides what to do (it would be a dictatorship if it was). Congress voted to go in too. I'm sure the UN would have been on board if it wasnt for France and Germany vetoing it to protect their "special interests" (weapons trade) there.

Oh and Mechie, it wasnt a question, it was a joke about the Flip-Flopper.

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Jeff
To the optimist, the glass is half full.
To the pessimist, the glass is half empty.
To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

I dont think that would be a good idea for me, I already spend too much time on this board as it is. Throwing in an off topic page, although it would be nice, would make me spend even more time.

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To the optimist, the glass is half full.
To the pessimist, the glass is half empty.
To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.