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display LED flasher output on an analog oscilloscope

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    mdanh2002 mdanh2002 is offline

    display LED flasher output on an analog oscilloscope

    Hi,

    I am trying to use a GW INSTEK GOS-620 20MHz analog oscilloscope to display the output of a LED flasher (once per second) using a 555 timer on the screen. I am trying to show a square wave on CRT. Unfortunately I am unable to do so:

    + At low time/div settings (0.1, 0.2, etc. ms) all I can see is a line moving up and down between 5V and 0V.
    + At high time/div settings (0.1, 0.2 etc second) all I can see is a dot moving up and down.

    This is logically correct. However, how can I make it display the square wave nicely as in the case with a digital oscilloscope? I have tried both AC/DC coupling, various trigger settings to no avail.

    The oscilloscope is working normally and has no problem with other signals with high enough frequency.

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    Diver300 Diver300 is offline
    You can't.

    Analogue oscilloscopes rely on signals that repeat so often enough that the user's eyes see the signals as steady.

    The only way to see a steady signal is to increase the frequency to 200 Hz or more.

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    ljcox ljcox is offline
    Alternatively, use an analogue storage scope.
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    Len

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    mdanh2002 mdanh2002 is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by ljcox View Post
    Alternatively, use an analogue storage scope.
    Thanks

    One of my friends has an analog storage oscilloscope like this HITACHI 20MHz VC-6020 DIGITAL STORAGE OSCILLOSCOPE 2CH - eBay (item 310234571675 end time Jan-12-11 23:24:58 PST)

    Do you think it will be able to display the square wave nicely? Except for the plotter output, the only other thing it has (and my scope doesn't have) is a HOLD button.
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    ljcox ljcox is offline
    I'm not familiar with that scope, but if it can store a waveform, then it should be able to display your signal.
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    Len

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    mdanh2002 mdanh2002 is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by ljcox View Post
    I'm not familiar with that scope, but if it can store a waveform, then it should be able to display your signal.
    I tried. Same problem. The HOLD button only helps to retain the screen display at the particular moment the button is pressed. It does not have "memory" like a digital oscilloscope where I can use cursor to scroll back and forth the waveform and examine the various data points. Not sure if the PLOTTER output could have helped - I did not have the equipment to try.
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    crutschow crutschow is offline
    The way we did it way back when, was to use a camera with a "bulb" or time mode that holds the shutter open to capture one complete trace of the oscilloscope. You need to do that in a completely dark room, of course.
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    ljcox ljcox is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by crutschow View Post
    The way we did it way back when, was to use a camera with a "bulb" or time mode that holds the shutter open to capture one complete trace of the oscilloscope. You need to do that in a completely dark room, of course.
    That is what I was intending to suggest.

    I don't know how digital cameras do time exposure.

    I assume they measure the received light and close the shutter once sufficient photons have been received.

    Put the camera on a tripod or other support so there is no movement during the exposure.

    I suggest that you focus first, turn the light off, and then press the button to start the exposure.

    If it does not work in the dark, try it in dim light.
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    #12 #12 is offline
    The quality of the camera makes a lot of difference. My phd (press here dummy) camera decides when it has seen enough light and closes the shutter. End of list.

    A better quality of the species "modern digital camera" will allow all kinds of adjustments, just like the old 35mm film cameras. Speed dominant, shutter opening dominant, plus and minus F-stops. Gosh, the words I have forgotten are making me look stupid. Anyway, you get the idea. Good camera = good results.
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    Reloadron Reloadron is offline
    Years ago Tektronix manufactured a line of scope cameras. Some used roll film and some used Polaroid film packs. They attached directly to the CRT face and for their day worked well.

    You turned up the graticule illumination and set the scope for single sweep. Then you opened the shutter and initiated a trigger for the scope. Once complete you close the shutter and in the case of Polaroid film pulled the tab and removed the exposed film. Wait about 60 seconds and peel the film backing off to reveal your lovely black and white image. For their time they were actually pretty cool and very useful devices. Today good luck finding film for one.

    I guess if I wanted to capture a scope image with a slow rep rate today I would use a digital camera with a good choice of manual settings. That would include a camera with the mentioned "B" or Bulb setting for the shutter. Set up the focus and F Stop and then in the dark open the shutter. Set the scope for single sweep and remote externally trigger the scope. Once the trace is complete close the shutter and see what you have. You will need a good digital camera with a wide range of manual control. You will need to play around with the scope intensity and graticule illumination.

    Ron
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