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Old 23rd August 2004, 03:54 PM   (permalink)
Default I need -5V for my project

Hi there,

I need a -5V to power up the INA126 chip used in my project. I know i can use a voltage regulator to do that. what i will like to know if there are any other options. my concerns are, cost, current consumption(as little as possible), bulk(how big the circuit is going to be).

From what i understand, voltage regulator do chew up a substanitial amount of current from the battery. i aim to reduce that effect. so i was hoping someone out there can help me with this.

thanks

alvin
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Old 23rd August 2004, 04:25 PM   (permalink)
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LM7905, cheap, 3 pin to-220 regulator @ 1A
alternative is a 5 volt Zener diode with a resistor ( Ohms dependent on VCC)
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Old 23rd August 2004, 05:53 PM   (permalink)
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What supply to the circuit have you got? You could use something like an ICL7660 to convert +5V to -5V which would have lower power consumption compared to a 7905 but would take up more space.

Up to you to decide
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Old 23rd August 2004, 06:56 PM   (permalink)
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with a 79xx you still need a negative supply to begin with... Don't you?
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Old 23rd August 2004, 07:30 PM   (permalink)
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A -5V regulator doesn't MAKE negative voltage, it only regulates it.

ICL7660, MAX1044 will turn 5V to -5V. It's limited to a few milliamps and is not regulated.

What are you trying to do with the INA126? If you have a digital system, you can drop the amp and go with an unbuffered ADC which can accurately read signals -0.3 v below ground without using a negative supply.
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Old 23rd August 2004, 07:42 PM   (permalink)
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If the circuit you have isn’t on batteries you can pickup some current with a capacitor at the rectifier. This can be filtered and regulated if necessary but only for low current output.

Ante :roll:
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Old 23rd August 2004, 08:33 PM   (permalink)
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it'll take up more space but couldn't you use a hex inverter or a smaller type if you can find it?
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Old 23rd August 2004, 09:25 PM   (permalink)
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Originally Posted by vaineo
it'll take up more space but couldn't you use a hex inverter or a smaller type if you can find it?
Um, hex inverter as in a logical inverter? That's got nothing to do with creating a negative voltage.
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Old 24th August 2004, 07:36 AM   (permalink)
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yeah the inverter will just turn 5V to 0V and 0V to 5V. it cant make negative voltages
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Old 24th August 2004, 03:32 PM   (permalink)
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hi there,

i've took note of all the replies. thanks.

The INA126 will be used to detect heartbeat signal. as this signal is pretty small and susceptible to noise, i felt that i would need a chip thats designed for it. i tried and tested the chip and it works. so i dun have much of a choice. i tried using LM324 to build the exact same circuit but it doesnt work as well. apparently the signal picks up a lot of noise which makes it impossible to read it off the scope.

"with a 79xx you still need a negative supply to begin with... Don't you?"

is this true???


"alternative is a 5 volt Zener diode with a resistor ( Ohms dependent on VCC)"

How do i do this? i know how to obtain +5V but not -5V using a zener diode


"A -5V regulator doesn't MAKE negative voltage, it only regulates it."

What does this mean??

hope you guys can help me answer these questions.
Thanks alot
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Old 24th August 2004, 03:42 PM   (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alvin_lee
"with a 79xx you still need a negative supply to begin with... Don't you?"

is this true???

"A -5V regulator doesn't MAKE negative voltage, it only regulates it."

What does this mean??
A regulator takes a voltage (maybe approx 12v) and 'regulates' down to another voltage (a 5v reg gives out a regulated 5v output...). In the same way that a +5v reg needs (for example) a +12v input, a -5v reg would need a -12v input.

Any help?
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Old 24th August 2004, 03:47 PM   (permalink)
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with a 79xx you still need a negative supply to begin with... Don't you?
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A -5V regulator doesn't MAKE negative voltage, it only regulates it
both of the above statements are true. if u see the datasheet for the 7905 regulator on national semiconductor's website u will see that these regulators need a negative supply in the first place. u see these regulators are negative voltage regulators and not negative voltage generators. they only "regulate" a negative voltage. this negative voltage can be from anything, a bridge rectifier for instance.

if u see the datasheet, in the Absolute maximum ratings section its written that the maximum input voltage is -25V for the 7905 and the maximum input-output differential for the 7905 is 25V. and -10V is a typical input voltage for the 7905.

nowhere does it say that a 5V will be turned into -5V. for that u need a DC-DC converter. a DC-DC converter is different from a voltage regulator. its a different domain of power electronics. and 5V to -5V converters have already been suggested to u in this post above.

i hope that helps
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Old 24th August 2004, 05:27 PM   (permalink)
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Why not? If one inverter formed an oscillator, another five work as buffer, via seriel capacitor and a voltage doubler possible You can make a negative voltage...
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Old 24th August 2004, 06:46 PM   (permalink)
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well if u put it that way, then yes it may be able to provide a negative voltage. actually the person who said that a hex inverter will be able to provide a negative voltage didnt tell how it would do that. have u ever produced a negative voltage by doing this? do u have a schematic
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Old 25th August 2004, 02:47 PM   (permalink)
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Hey,

thanks alot for all your replies. i might just go for the chip to get the -5V. if anyone out there have any new ideas, pls post it. i will be watching this newsgroup as often as i can. i was hoping of using components tats cheap and will take up minimal space on the PCB.

Thanks alot.........
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