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Old 24th June 2007, 04:44 PM   #226
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If no diode for protection, the stepped up voltage is higher than the step up ratio because the back EMF is also stepped up.
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When a diode is added, the stepped up voltage is the product of the ratio and the input voltage of the transformer, right?
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The high voltage MOSFET you meant is the one that can handle the fly back?
Yes. The max collector voltage of a TIP31 transistor is 40V to 60V. The max for a high voltage Mosfet is hundreds of volts and it has an avalanche diode built-in to protect it.
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Old 24th June 2007, 05:03 PM   #227
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Thanks
Just read through wiki, is any diode that is used to protect the circuit from back EMF called avalanche diode?
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Old 24th June 2007, 05:49 PM   #228
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Actually Most REAL Stunguns just use Transistors and a transformer (T1) for the Initial Stepped-up Voltage of 200 to 400 volts.

Than an SCR to trigger this 200 to 400 volts to pulse this into the second transformer (T2) (a Trigger Coil) to get the Really High Output voltage.

Ususally Both these transformers are Custom Made.
"But Especially T2".
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Old 24th June 2007, 06:09 PM   #229
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I agree chemelec, that's what I would do if I wanted to build a stun gun.
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Old 25th June 2007, 02:08 AM   #230
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is any diode that is used to protect the circuit from back EMF called avalanche diode?
An avalanche diode breaks down and conducts at its avalanche breakdown voltage and holds the voltage like a zener diode. Mosfets have it built-in.
This diode will protect the Mosfet from short duration high voltages at fairly high currents. It has a much higher voltage across it when it breaks down than a diode across an inductive load which is a "free-wheeling diode" so the avalanche diode gets very hot when it is working.
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Old 25th June 2007, 04:30 PM   #231
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I'd step up the output of an invertor through a transformer and then use a Cockroft-Wolton multiplier to step it up again as DC.
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Old 26th June 2007, 03:51 PM   #232
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I'd step up the output of an invertor through a transformer and then use a Cockroft-Wolton multiplier to step it up again as DC.
That will Produce a "Continuous High DC Voltage", and yes it will give someone a shock.
But it is NOT an Effective Stun Gun.

Stun Guns Produce Pulses or Bursts of HV power.
This gives them a MUCH Greater effect to Induce Pain so as to disable the person quickly.
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Old 26th June 2007, 08:29 PM   #233
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OK, I'll convert the rear wheel of my bike into a Wimshurst generator and collect the output into a couple of 4 gallon Leyden jars. I'll drag a grounding strap and have a large spike out the front as a corona emitter.

What it would lack in portability it would gain in "What the #$%^ is that?!?"
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Old 26th June 2007, 09:20 PM   #234
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OK, I'll convert the rear wheel of my bike into a Wimshurst generator
They are crap! - convert it to a Van De Graff generator instead, MUCH better!
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Old 26th June 2007, 10:05 PM   #235
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I've often thought an electrophorus mounted in the soles of jogging shoes could generate a non-trivial electric charge. The action of of lifting your foot from the ground while walking or running would be the activity that separates the top plate from the dielectric cake, where you could then take the charge off. When you put your foot down, an electrical contact could be made between the top plate and the base to reset it to deliver another charge.
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Old 27th June 2007, 10:33 AM   #236
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They are crap! - convert it to a Van De Graff generator instead, MUCH better!
or even better, run a generator to power a tesla coil
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Old 27th June 2007, 11:55 PM   #237
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We need an electrostatics forum on this site, there is just too much fun to be had there!
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Old 28th June 2007, 01:15 AM   #238
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i agree, a high voltage section would be great!!!! especially for me, i love high voltage stuff!! but i think this has been dicussed here before?
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Old 28th June 2007, 01:29 AM   #239
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I remember being told in school (as have many others) that "static" electricity and an electric current were two different things, and "static" electricity wasn't useful for anything. Both of these 'facts' are quite wrong, but science books continue to spread the LIES.
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Old 28th June 2007, 07:39 AM   #240
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Damn, read the last post of this thread Do you want new high votage forum? looks like it's not going to happen
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