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Old 28th May 2007, 12:21 AM   (permalink)
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Sort of, ideally it will never be submerged. I'm putting mine next to my sump pump, and unless I have a sump failure (it does happen every so often) they won't get wet. But the few times they do shouldn't create a lot of corrosion. Also, even with corrosion, this circuit should function fine as it isn't horribly critical what the resistance is between the two probes as long as there is some. I tried it with filtered water from the sink and it worked still! Heck, even moist fingers set it off.
I guess it is a little difficult resetting this one:
http://www.pbase.com/sinoline/simple_moisture_sensor
But I am sure that could be worked out, because I have.
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While I agree about the floater being better for multiple fluid types, I designed this for water and only water. Hopefully that would be the only fluid flooding out my basement.
Of course water is probably all your basement will ever see, but think about long term reliablity and ease of testing, fewest components, etc. This kind of application can help save you a ton of $$ in damage and the the sensor portion needs to be as failsafe as you can come up with. I still vote the simple float switch if it was my basement. Basements are rare in California but sump alarms are common.

Now what I need is an earthquake alarm circuit that gives about 5 mins warning of a big one

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Of course water is probably all your basement will ever see, but think about long term reliablity and ease of testing, fewest components, etc. This kind of application can help save you a ton of $$ in damage and the the sensor portion needs to be as failsafe as you can come up with. I still vote the simple float switch if it was my basement. Basements are rare in California but sump alarms are common.

Now what I need is an earthquake alarm circuit that gives about 5 mins warning of a big one

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{snip}I still vote the simple float switch if it was my basement. Basements are rare in California but sump alarms are common.

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So if you don't have a sump pump; where do you find a float switch that operates in a (aprox) 0.01" of water? After all you do want an alarm that senses the very appearance of water.
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So if you don't have a sump pump; where do you find a float switch that operates in a (aprox) 0.01" of water? After all you do want an alarm that senses the very appearance of water.
Well never owning a basement, I don't know their normal drainage management. Is there no normal exit for water? If the floor is completely sealed then I guess one would need to find the lowest spot (unless non-slopped and perfectly level) and utilize something other then a float switch of course..

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Floats are more reliable than oxidizeable electrical contacts. Float activated relays are widely used in both industrial and home situations. We have several pumps at work that have built in floats for exactly this purpose. You just put them in a hole in the floor where water drains and give it enough space on all sides and as long as you check the mechanicals every 6 months to make sure nothing rusted or was blocked you never have to worry about it.
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Floats are more reliable than oxidizeable electrical contacts. Float activated relays are widely used in both industrial and home situations.[snip]
Are you referring to the sensing contacts in the original circuit? They should not be subject to much humidity like a switch in a partial water filled hole.

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If your float brings a magnet up to a glass enclosed reed switch, then there is no possibility of getting crud on the contacts.
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why not just use a float with a mechanical switch? it seems like that would be the simplest and most reliable
I designed a detector for my brother last year using a mosfet. It was to monitor the basement sump level in the event the power went out.
One night, it was raining heavily and he heard the alarm downstairs, so he went to check on it. The float for the pump switch had stuck in the down position and the sump was nearly full.
It was $10 well spent (mostly on the case and 9v battery).
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ROLF, .01 inches? You can do better with humidity and temperature sensing in a known enviornment. physical contacts are a good backup, but no reliable enough on their own. Guess it goes to show no matter what the situation there is no single best responce, a mix of all of them are best to cover all ground.
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