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oliverb · 20th February 2007, 06:46 PM

A small animation of this clock stepping slave and chimimg 2 oclock.

audioguru · 20th February 2007, 09:23 PM

Years ago, National Semiconductor made the MM5369 IC which operated from a 3V to 15V battery and a cheap crystal from a colour TV and it had a 1Hz output. They stopped making it when all the hobbiests bought one and Chinese clocks became very cheap.

Gayan Soyza · 21st February 2007, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audioguru

Years ago, National Semiconductor made the MM5369 IC which operated from a 3V to 15V battery and a cheap crystal from a colour TV and it had a 1Hz output. They stopped making it when all the hobbiests bought one and Chinese clocks became very cheap.

Oh I see.If have a chance to buy that IC I will buy tons of that.Its very usefull.Now I cannot find any crystal or any IC for 1Hz output.

bobledoux · 21st February 2007, 02:08 PM

I have a similar project using a Standard Electrical Time (SET) slave clock made in the USA. (My interest in these clocks developed when I read about the British Synchronome system and the Shortt astronomical clock.)

I considered running my master off a 32768hz watch crystal, but decided in favor of a 4 mhz time base. There are 86,400 seconds in a day so a 1 hz error in the watch crystal translates into a three second error daily.

My controller is based on a crystal controlled PIC microcontroller. Each instruction cycle takes 1 microsecond so I use a standard 60,000,000 instructions per minute for the base pulse. I modify the pulse count to achieve sync with WWV, our time standard. In my present controller a pulse count of 60,000,620 provides an error of within a second over the course of a week.

This first controller used a PIC 12F508. Two pins operate the STOP and ADVANCE switches. One pin sends a seconds pulse out to LED or a piezo speaker. One pin operates the TIP120 switching transistor that drives the clock. The final two pins drive the crystal.

Delay loops perform the timing and the MPLAB simulator allows precise testing of the loop periods. No interrupts are needed.

A new controller uses a 14 pin PIC. Because my slave clock requires 24 volts at 100ma I decided to use a wall transformer to drive the clock and controller. There is no battery backup. So an LED is programmed to light if we've suffered a power failure.

Two additional switches allow the clock to advance or retard its seconds pulses against the WWV standard. This allows feeding the WWV and clock pulses into a scope to precisely sync the two.

Its been an interesting project. I've been impressed with the consistency of a regular microprocessor crystal at room temperature. In my first controller I unsuccessfully tried to vary the crystal frequency by using a variable capacitor in the crystal line. I've since decided that changing the delay period in software is a better approach.

oliverb · 21st February 2007, 04:33 PM

Hi bobledoux
Your clock and setup sounds interesting.

My clock was based around a BT clock electronic 1a. These exchange master clocks replaced the old pendulem driven clock 36 but had an LCD display rather than LED.

Do you have any pics of your master clock and slaves?

Brett.

bobledoux · 21st February 2007, 04:55 PM

The third picture down on this page is my clock:

http://setclocks.zayre-electronics.com/photos.htm

I'm building a wood case for surface mounting. This was the kind of clock in my elementary school rooms. I can still remember the double click it made every minute.

I've attached a schematic diagram of my driver.

oliverb · 22nd February 2007, 07:33 AM

Just posted a small 8 sec movie clip only around 250k here

http://home.btconnect.com/brettoliver/Demo.wmv

This shows the clock again stepping to 14:00 hrs and now has sound so you can here the chime. The sounds a bit crap as it is recorded from a digital camera.

Brett

audioguru · 22nd February 2007, 01:04 PM

I didn't hear a chime. I just heard the mechanical clock making a "click-bang" noise.

oliverb · 22nd February 2007, 01:09 PM

The chime is there but it's not very loud. The chime it remote from all the clocks in my hallway.

I'll see if I can record the chime on it's own then splice it into the video.

I have now re-recorded the chime.
http://home.btconnect.com/brettoliver/Demo.wmv

Brett.

bobledoux · 22nd February 2007, 01:10 PM

That's a nice system. It appears your slave clock sync's the seconds hand to the minute pulse. Is that correct? What is the model of the slave?

oliverb · 22nd February 2007, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobledoux

That's a nice system. It appears your slave clock sync's the seconds hand to the minute pulse. Is that correct? What is the model of the slave?

I have made my own slave clocks from old clock parts from ebay. They are based on 12" office dial clocks. I designed my own seconds ring on my PC with Turbo cad and printed it onto transfer paper. The dial is then varnished over to look like an original. I have 2 x 12" dial clocks and a 9" version

My slaves have 2 clock motors in each, 1 for mins and hours and 1 for seconds both syncronised and driven by the master.
The mins and hours hands are driven from the 30 sec pulse from my master. The second hand is driven from the 1 second clock motor drive pulse and is in fact a modified quartz clock motor.

On initial setup the hours mins and seconds are syncronised together and then stay in sync with the master. Therefore the clock will step when the seconds hand reaches the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions.

See my thread here on quartz clcok driving http://www.electro-tech-online.com/e...ck-motors.html

Brett.

oliverb · 22nd February 2007, 05:28 PM

See previous post.
12" office clock slave dial detail with dial tranparency to show movements mounted on reverse. Note 30sec slave shown reversed.

See pic the quartz movement is mounted on the top of 30 sec slave movement with a metal bracket to avoid a mounting nut showing through the dial face.

2 types of pulses are required for this clock 30secs for the mins/hour hands and 1 sec alternating pulse for the second hand.

Both pulses derived and syncronised by my master clock.

see this clock working here http://home.btconnect.com/brettoliver/Demo.wmv

Brett.

ljcox · 24th February 2007, 01:38 AM

Oliver,
You've done a lot of work on this since I last looked at your earlier thread some months (or was it a year or more) ago. Well done!

bunghole · 24th February 2007, 05:44 AM

hello, i saw the parts list and the diagram. are the parts list for the diagrams?

ta

oliverb · 24th February 2007, 05:53 AM

Thanks for that Len and thanks again or all your help on the chime circut for this clock.

The chime sounds so good I have disabled the chime in the longcase clock in my hall and fitted the master clock chime in the base of it.

My wife did not realise anything had changed except the clock now seemed to chime in exact sync with my slaves and the start of TV programs rather than a randon couple of mins either side. I must admit I did the mod on a day off so she did not see the carpet being pulled up in the hall to lay the cable!

Brett.

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20th February 2007, 09:23 PM	(permalink)
audioguru	Years ago, National Semiconductor made the MM5369 IC which operated from a 3V to 15V battery and a cheap crystal from a colour TV and it had a 1Hz output. They stopped making it when all the hobbiests bought one and Chinese clocks became very cheap. __________________ Uncle $crooge

21st February 2007, 02:08 PM	(permalink)
bobledoux	A Similar Project I have a similar project using a Standard Electrical Time (SET) slave clock made in the USA. (My interest in these clocks developed when I read about the British Synchronome system and the Shortt astronomical clock.) I considered running my master off a 32768hz watch crystal, but decided in favor of a 4 mhz time base. There are 86,400 seconds in a day so a 1 hz error in the watch crystal translates into a three second error daily. My controller is based on a crystal controlled PIC microcontroller. Each instruction cycle takes 1 microsecond so I use a standard 60,000,000 instructions per minute for the base pulse. I modify the pulse count to achieve sync with WWV, our time standard. In my present controller a pulse count of 60,000,620 provides an error of within a second over the course of a week. This first controller used a PIC 12F508. Two pins operate the STOP and ADVANCE switches. One pin sends a seconds pulse out to LED or a piezo speaker. One pin operates the TIP120 switching transistor that drives the clock. The final two pins drive the crystal. Delay loops perform the timing and the MPLAB simulator allows precise testing of the loop periods. No interrupts are needed. A new controller uses a 14 pin PIC. Because my slave clock requires 24 volts at 100ma I decided to use a wall transformer to drive the clock and controller. There is no battery backup. So an LED is programmed to light if we've suffered a power failure. Two additional switches allow the clock to advance or retard its seconds pulses against the WWV standard. This allows feeding the WWV and clock pulses into a scope to precisely sync the two. Its been an interesting project. I've been impressed with the consistency of a regular microprocessor crystal at room temperature. In my first controller I unsuccessfully tried to vary the crystal frequency by using a variable capacitor in the crystal line. I've since decided that changing the delay period in software is a better approach.

21st February 2007, 04:33 PM	(permalink)
oliverb	Hi bobledoux Your clock and setup sounds interesting. My clock was based around a BT clock electronic 1a. These exchange master clocks replaced the old pendulem driven clock 36 but had an LCD display rather than LED. Do you have any pics of your master clock and slaves? Brett.

22nd February 2007, 07:33 AM	(permalink)
oliverb	Just posted a small 8 sec movie clip only around 250k here http://home.btconnect.com/brettoliver/Demo.wmv This shows the clock again stepping to 14:00 hrs and now has sound so you can here the chime. The sounds a bit crap as it is recorded from a digital camera. Brett

22nd February 2007, 01:04 PM	(permalink)
audioguru	I didn't hear a chime. I just heard the mechanical clock making a "click-bang" noise. __________________ Uncle $crooge

22nd February 2007, 01:09 PM	(permalink)
oliverb	The chime is there but it's not very loud. The chime it remote from all the clocks in my hallway. I'll see if I can record the chime on it's own then splice it into the video. I have now re-recorded the chime. http://home.btconnect.com/brettoliver/Demo.wmv Brett. Last edited by oliverb; 22nd February 2007 at 01:33 PM.

22nd February 2007, 01:10 PM	(permalink)
bobledoux	That's a nice system. It appears your slave clock sync's the seconds hand to the minute pulse. Is that correct? What is the model of the slave?

24th February 2007, 01:38 AM	(permalink)
ljcox	Oliver, You've done a lot of work on this since I last looked at your earlier thread some months (or was it a year or more) ago. Well done! __________________ Len

24th February 2007, 05:44 AM	(permalink)
bunghole	hello, i saw the parts list and the diagram. are the parts list for the diagrams? ta __________________ Every little bit counts! It works with money, and it works with electronics!

24th February 2007, 05:53 AM	(permalink)
oliverb	Thanks for that Len and thanks again or all your help on the chime circut for this clock. The chime sounds so good I have disabled the chime in the longcase clock in my hall and fitted the master clock chime in the base of it. My wife did not realise anything had changed except the clock now seemed to chime in exact sync with my slaves and the start of TV programs rather than a randon couple of mins either side. I must admit I did the mod on a day off so she did not see the carpet being pulled up in the hall to lay the cable! Brett.