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    I will post a picture of how I have wired it. Both amps work fine on their own


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    Quote Originally Posted by bountyhunter View Post
    Good point. When I used 2003 for a bridge, I did put a trimmer in it to zero out the DC offset. Schematic attached.
    Your offset adjustment is in a positive only direction. What if you need a negative offset adjustment, swap the amp ICs?
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    I will have to post my wired circuit I am making a stereo amp not a briged amp ! Bothe circuits work fine on there own. Somthing to do with connecting them. Thanks for your help so far everyone I will post ciruit soon.

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    Did you look at my previous attachment?

    It makes a huge difference how the return lines to the audio channels are connected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero999 View Post
    Did you look at my previous attachment?

    It makes a huge difference how the return lines to the audio channels are connected.
    I don't want to bridge the amps I need seperate channels I just link the power supply and ground

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    Those aren't bridged.
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    All right my last schematic contained an error shorting the +V to 0V.

    Here's the corrected version:

    It's not bridged, my previous incorrect schematic wasn't bridged, it's connected as two separate channels as is the corrected version.

    The problem with the second schematic in the picture is that the long input return leads both go back to the power supply, rather than to the IC's 0V pin.

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    Yes I understand that . I have made it on strip board so I am trying to think how this applys I am going to post the diagram and picture of how I have wired it. It is all very cramped on the board will this make a diffrence ?

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    Cramped is good.

    Is each channel on a different board with the returns going back to either the battery or just one board? That could be your problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by audioguru View Post
    Your offset adjustment is in a positive only direction. What if you need a negative offset adjustment, swap the amp ICs?
    No, if I remember correctly (and it's been 20 years) the DC outputs both sit at about 1/2Vsupply. I recall the TDA2003 has an internal resistive divider which always sets the output OP point to half supply. The trimmer is centered at that voltage and can swing above and below it. That means it can adjust the offset in both directions around the nominal value to get zero Volts across the speaker..

    The "single ended" design centers the operating point at 1/2Vsupply, has a cap couple to the speaker whose neg side is connected to ground which means the max signal swing that the speaker can ever see is 1/2Vsupply. The bridge setup allows one output to swing up and the other to swing down at the same time, so the peak signal swing is Vsupply. However, I believe the DC bias (no signal) set point for both outputs on the bridge design is 1/2Vsupply. They can not both sit at ground because then the "negative going" side has no swing room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GooseElectro View Post
    I will have to post my wired circuit I am making a stereo amp not a briged amp ! Bothe circuits work fine on there own. Somthing to do with connecting them.
    IMHO, the problem will disappear if you do this:

    1) use a "single point" power ground for the point where both load (speaker) negative lines come back and tie to the power supply ground.

    2) Run a wide and short trace straight from the single point power ground to EACH of the ground pins of the 2003's and DO NOT TIE OTHER COMPONENT GROUND LEADS TO THOSE TRACES ALONG THE WAY. This gives you a separate power ground lead to each IC's ground pin from the single point ground.

    3) Tie the ground leads for the other circuit components together ant then connect them to the ground pin of each 2003 (do it on each channel) right at the IC ground pin.

    4) The R-C compensation on the output (R4 - C3) should tie directly to the ground pin AT THE IC.
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    He's building it on Veroboard so I don't think that's an option.

    This circuit really needs to be built on a real PCB.
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    Default Here are the wireing diagrams and photos






    there are more at: My Orb

    thank you for any help

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    You've got the inputs and outputs connected at one end of the PCB so it's no surprise it's giving you trouble.

    Connect the input, output and return as close as you can to the respective IC and the problem should go away.
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    after looking at how i have done this what do you think is the best way to go from here? it looks like strip board is not the best for amp circuits hower one works fine on its own. If a pcb is the best thing to do dose anyone know the best way to do this? is it to order online or make at home? any detales about websites or kits will be very usefull

    thanks again.

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