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Old 3rd February 2009, 03:09 PM   #1
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Hi, I'm trying to build this kit myself instead of buying it because it's expensive.

DC TO PULSE WIDTH MODULATOR
Velleman Components n.v.

datasheet http://www.velleman.be/downloads/0/i...k8004_rev3.pdf


My problem is that I can't find the required mosfet BUK9535-55
datasheet here: http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...BUK9535-55.pdf

I can order my parts from:
Farnell LT | pasaulyje lyderiaujantis elektronikos ir technin?s prie?i?ros, remonto ir valdymo produkt? platintojas.
https://www1.elfa.se/elfa~eu_en/b2b/start.do

Could you help my find compatible mosfet or alternative circuit that would help me to control DC motor up to 12V.

I don't know how many Amps I need since the motor is from a printer and I can't find exact specs.

I have Canon Printer Carriage Motor QK1-1500
TN425813

A circuit that would keep constant speed is preferred.

Thanks.
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Old 3rd February 2009, 03:49 PM   #2
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Are you sure the motor is a normal DC brushed one?, most printer motors are steppers.
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Old 5th February 2009, 12:32 AM   #3
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Are you sure the motor is a normal DC brushed one?, most printer motors are steppers.

Yes I'm sure it runs from 9V or 12V supply without any problems, looks like this:

Here is my motor photos:

Last edited by smilem; 5th February 2009 at 02:29 PM.
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Old 5th February 2009, 11:54 AM   #4
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I'm also puzzled with connections, I attach the diagram from manufacturer PDF file. The areas I do not understand are in red circle.

Also on this site here Circuit Specialists Inc. - DC TO PULSE WIDTH MODULATOR (K8004)
They have part list too.
And they changed the T2 tranzistor from BUK9535-55 to

T2 BUK555'60B LOGIC LEVEL MOSFET 60V (I can order this is it correct and will work as expected?)

It also seems that I can't get the T1 BC547B SI-NPN 50V-0.2A but instead I can get the BC546B. The pdf (http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/data...efh960khpy.pdf) lists them as the same part???
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Old 8th February 2009, 08:33 PM   #5
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anyone ?
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Old 8th February 2009, 09:17 PM   #6
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Hi, I looked at your problems and they are indeed tough. Can you get any support directly from the kit seller?
My guess is those connections should not be made. You would expect a "dot" to show that. They have a square dot at some points where three wires meet, not at others.
How can it be that you need to wire it up? Didn't you get a printed wiring board with the kit?
As for the FET, I would get exactly what they specify. The "TrenchMOS" technolgy may not be so important, but it is a "Logic Level" FET made for switching. Again, did you not get all the parts in the kit?
Sorry, but I cannot help you as well as the kit designer!
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Old 10th February 2009, 01:01 AM   #7
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Hi, I looked at your problems and they are indeed tough. Can you get any support directly from the kit seller?
My guess is those connections should not be made. You would expect a "dot" to show that. They have a square dot at some points where three wires meet, not at others.
How can it be that you need to wire it up? Didn't you get a printed wiring board with the kit?
As for the FET, I would get exactly what they specify. The "TrenchMOS" technolgy may not be so important, but it is a "Logic Level" FET made for switching. Again, did you not get all the parts in the kit?
Sorry, but I cannot help you as well as the kit designer!
THanks for help, on my 1st post I write "Hi, I'm trying to build this kit myself instead of buying it because it's expensive." The so called seller did not respond on their forum yet.

I can order my parts from:
Farnell LT | pasaulyje lyderiaujantis elektronikos ir technin?s prie?i?ros, remonto ir valdymo produkt? platintojas.
https://www1.elfa.se/elfa~eu_en/b2b/start.do

Could you help my find compatible mosfet ? The datasheet url is on my first post.

Last edited by smilem; 10th February 2009 at 05:55 PM.
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Old 18th February 2009, 08:23 PM   #8
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I installed BUK555 and connected low power 5w halogen lamp. Everything works except I can't adjust the output brightness. The voltage changes between GND and IN ports when I turn the 1K ohm POT but output voltage on LOAD ports does not change.

Tried to adjust RV1,2,3 no change. Is there some reference point I could check in this situation to find a faulty part etc. I connected everything like in diagram on PDF.
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Old 18th February 2009, 09:31 PM   #9
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OK, I understand you did not buy the kit, so you can't really expect help from the kit maker. Buying the kit would save a LOT of time. How much is your time worth?

Your FET upgrade should be OK. Check for heating as you power-up if it's not on a heatsink.

For a DC motor, you may need a filter consisting of a big series inductor and big cap in parallel with the motor.

If this is a regulating circuit, where is the feedback loop?

If you could do without the regulating (a fairly constant motor load) I would just contstruct a simple PWM circuit from a comparator looking at a triangle wave reference and a pot.

In yesteryear we had LM3524.

Can you show us a picture of your layout and wiring? I am curious with your effort. Haywire could get you in trouble here.

Can anyone else please help? §
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Old 18th February 2009, 10:54 PM   #10
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OK, I understand you did not buy the kit, so you can't really expect help from the kit maker. Buying the kit would save a LOT of time. How much is your time worth?
Well, I'm building it in my spare time for a project. I just need a PWM and this one seems fairly decent. You can adjust frequesncy and PWM offset from 0% to 100%. Everything adjusts easy with a potentiometer no need to resolder resistors or capacitors etc.

The velleman kit is 3.5 times more expensive that is why I chose to build one myself. And you learn new things too.

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Your FET upgrade should be OK. Check for heating as you power-up if it's not on a heatsink.
I have a heatsing but it's dead cold.

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For a DC motor, you may need a filter consisting of a big series inductor and big cap in parallel with the motor.

If this is a regulating circuit, where is the feedback loop?
There is no feedback, it is constant load and I really could not find any decent schematics how to make one without PIC programmer etc. As I don't have any programmer

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If you could do without the regulating (a fairly constant motor load) I would just contstruct a simple PWM circuit from a comparator looking at a triangle wave reference and a pot.

In yesteryear we had LM3524.
I used simple 6W 6ohm resistor before and it worked nice except not enough torture in slow mode.

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Can you show us a picture of your layout and wiring? I am curious with your effort. Haywire could get you in trouble here.
No I do not use Haywire. I made all prep work using LochMaster 3 software.
Ground wire from MOSFET heatsing to GND not shown.




Will post the soldered PCB later, going to buy new digital camera in a few days, sold my old one so nothing to take the picture, sorry.

Last edited by smilem; 18th February 2009 at 10:59 PM.
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Old 19th February 2009, 10:08 PM   #11
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I fixed it, now it works fine

Change the BUK555'60 MOSFET to IRL540N (cheaper too) and remove heatsink ground wire.
Change the BC546B to BC547C

I include my PCB photos.

The IRL540N seems dead cold with 10W halogen lamp. So no big heatsink is required. You can MOD it to be more powerfull motors etc. Lyme-and-rife : Message: Re: Some modification to K8004 to drive heavy duty MOSFETs

TOP view




Side view




PCB


Di not have time to test the motor torture with this PWM and normal hi power resistor. Will test this later and see was this worth the time as you say. Anyway it's not worth 37$ as a Kit at local store.

Last edited by smilem; 19th February 2009 at 10:37 PM.
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Old 29th July 2009, 10:24 PM   #12
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Anybody knows how to increase the amps on this one?

maximum output current: 6.5A
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Old 31st July 2009, 01:25 AM   #13
Default More Power!

Ah, yes, the never-ending quest for MORE POWER!

Can you post the schematic?

Nice job and nice pix by the way......

-Brock
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Old 31st July 2009, 11:50 AM   #14
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The only thing that limits power is the MOSFET. Get a higher rated MOSFET (current) and adjust the the value of the current sense resistors R8, R9 & R10 for the proper peak current.
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Old 6th November 2009, 08:32 AM   #15
Default current sense resistors R8, R9 & R10

I got the Mosfet, but how do I work out the change in resistors to lift the overload protection to 35a?

I think I would need to get higher watt resistors is this right?

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