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Old 16th January 2009, 10:11 PM   #1
Default ECG amplifier

Hey guys,

I am trying to build an ECG amplifier with 3 electrodes. I am using AD620 as the instrumentation amplifier. I built the ECG circuit shown in this link on page 15: http://www.analog.com/static/importe...eets/AD620.pdf
with a few modifications made to the right-leg driver circuit.

I didn't use C1 and R4. My right-leg driver circuit just has R1 = 50 Ohms and R2=R3=100 Ohms and LM741 as the op-amp. I removed C1 and R4 because I wasn't really sure why they were there. Our circuit is not working, all we see is noise. We placed two electrodes on the chest and one on the right wrist. Could someone please help me with this? Is there a better ECG circuit or could someone explain what exactly the right-leg driver circuit should have?

Thanks!
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Old 16th January 2009, 10:16 PM   #2
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C1 and R4 are crucial feedback components, don't leave them out - and don't use a crappy 741, use the opamp they suggest (741's are as low a spec as they come, pretty well).
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Old 16th January 2009, 10:22 PM   #3
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How do I choose the values of C1 and R4? Also, I don't have AD705J. Would a TL082 suffice or maybe another AD620?
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Old 17th January 2009, 12:13 AM   #4
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How do I choose the values of C1 and R4?
Why do you want to deviate from the schematic values for any of the components? The values were selected for a good reason. Unless you really know what you are doing, you generally don't want to deviate from the given values.

You pick arbitrary values for some of the components (some of which are several orders of magnitude different from the assigned) leave out others, and then wonder why the circuit doesn't work. Is that really a suprise?

Use the assigned values, add all the parts back in the circuit, and then let us know how it's operating.
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Old 17th February 2009, 05:45 AM   #5
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why leg driver circuit is used ?how does it the circuit work?(i am purushotham from india)
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Old 17th February 2009, 07:57 AM   #6
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I'll be surprised if your circuit is working. R4 is a key part for the driver circuit. it's the feedback resistor of the amplifer circuit. without R4 the gain of the driving circuit is very low. 741 isn't a smart choice for applications like ECG. noisy, low open loop gain, low input impedance, high drift... The only virtue of 741 is it's price.
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Old 17th February 2009, 05:08 PM   #7
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Hi, I also wanna build ECG amplifier. But may i know why the circuit amplify ecg signal first then only high pass filter the signal? Then, we need to amplify the ecg signal to a very high signal than the noise?
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Old 19th February 2009, 12:24 PM   #8
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can you tell us what is the function of leg driver circuit used?
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Old 19th February 2009, 01:32 PM   #9
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That's a ground reference.
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Old 19th February 2009, 02:32 PM   #10
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The datasheet for the AD705 opamp shows that its max input offset voltage is less than 1/100 times the max input offset voltage of ordinary cheap opamps. Its gain is very high so an ordinary opamp will amplify its own input offset voltage and then be saturated.

The right leg driver cancels DC and low frequency common-mode voltages that both inputs pickup so that the instrumentation amp is not saturated. The 24.9k resistors must be matched.

The highpass filter is used at the output so that a DC offset voltage is not amplified. Of course a lowpass filter is also used to reduce noise.
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Old 21st February 2009, 09:51 AM   #11
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please explain the working of ad 705 connected to leg driver .what is its function ?
what are the role played by the R1 and c4 ?
basically what leg driver will do?
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Old 21st February 2009, 02:38 PM   #12
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Here is another ECG circuit that uses the right leg for cancelling the DC and very low frequency common-mode voltages:
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Old 21st February 2009, 02:39 PM   #13
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please explain the working of ad 705 connected to leg driver .what is its function ?
what are the role played by the R1 and c4 ?
basically what leg driver will do?
The driven right-leg circuitry reduces common mode noise as far as I know...
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Old 21st February 2009, 02:42 PM   #14
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Here is another ECG circuit that uses the right leg for cancelling the DC and very low frequency common-mode voltages:
@ audioguru: Would you mind explaining the function of the op-amp A5 in that design please?
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Old 21st February 2009, 04:44 PM   #15
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Opamp A5 is a buffer with a very low output impedance for the 2.5V reference voltage.
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