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Old 14th September 2008, 12:19 AM   #1
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Hello everyone,

I'm starting a project and I don't quite know where to start. I've browsed through this forum a bit but could not find my exact situation... Anyways I need in my car an led that turns on for 6 seconds. It has to come on when the key is in the on position, stays on for 6 seconds, turns off and stays off until I turn the key back on. I think the 555 timer might work but I know nothing about that chip. Any help would really be appreciated.

Thank you.
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Old 14th September 2008, 03:48 AM   #2
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a monostable 555 timer will probably do the trick in your case.

check this link out: ht tp://ww w.eleinm ec.c om/article.asp?4
(i can't post urls, so remove the spaces)

for an on time of about 6 seconds, you can use a 470uF capacitor and a 12Kohm resistor.
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Old 14th September 2008, 05:01 AM   #3
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Thanks for the info!

I drew up the circuit for final revision but I do have some questions, If the trigger pin is wired directly to the 0v, will the 555 timer run its cycle the moment it gets power? Also I assume that the output will be the same voltage as the VS?

Hope it's good.
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Old 14th September 2008, 05:33 AM   #4
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Hi salutka,

you don't need to use a big electrolytic cap for the circuit. Reduce the capacity to 10µF and use a resistor of 570KΩ instead of 12KΩ.

The exact resistance value 546.1KΩi s achieved best by using a combination of a fixed value resistor (470KΩ) and a trimmable resistor of 100KΩ.

570KΩ will result in a time out of 6.262seconds. For an electrolytic I suggest to use a tantalum type capacitor.

Don't forget to smoothen the alternator voltage. (Not included in the schematic)

Boncuk

P.S. There is a small error in the schematic. The total resistance value has to be 546.1K.
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Old 14th September 2008, 05:53 AM   #5
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So the IN with the 6.8k resistor and the TP1 have to be connected to the 12v?
And is your mistake the leg #1 of your variable resistor?
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Old 14th September 2008, 05:59 AM   #6
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Sorry, the resistor is fine, forget what I said about the #1 leg!
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Old 14th September 2008, 09:58 AM   #7
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So the IN with the 6.8k resistor and the TP1 have to be connected to the 12v?
And is your mistake the leg #1 of your variable resistor?
TP1 goes to the positive battery terminal and IN goes to the key switch.
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Old 14th September 2008, 03:02 PM   #8
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Hi salutka,

you don't need to use a big electrolytic cap for the circuit. Reduce the capacity to 10µF and use a resistor of 570KΩ instead of 12KΩ.

The exact resistance value 546.1KΩi s achieved best by using a combination of a fixed value resistor (470KΩ) and a trimmable resistor of 100KΩ.

570KΩ will result in a time out of 6.262seconds. For an electrolytic I suggest to use a tantalum type capacitor.

Don't forget to smoothen the alternator voltage. (Not included in the schematic)

Boncuk

P.S. There is a small error in the schematic. The total resistance value has to be 546.1K.
570kΩ is not a standard value, the nearest standard value to 546.1k is 549k which is a 1% tolerance resistor.

In practise, there's no point in using such a precise resistor value because the 10µF capacitor will be 10% at best so use a 560k resistor.
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Old 14th September 2008, 10:42 PM   #9
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Ah I see so every time the trigger gets a signal it restarts its cycle.

Well thanks a bunch for all your help.

I will keep you posted.
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Old 15th September 2008, 12:46 AM   #10
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570kΩ is not a standard value, the nearest standard value to 546.1k is 549k which is a 1% tolerance resistor.

In practise, there's no point in using such a precise resistor value because the 10µF capacitor will be 10% at best so use a 560k resistor.
My statement was: 470K + 100K (not 570K as a single resistor). To compensate for capacitance deviations he should use the circuit as is - with a trimmable resistor.
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Old 16th September 2008, 11:49 PM   #11
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I have a problem with my timer, I have it connected to a clean 12v power supply, it performs great for the first five minutes then it stars to blink constantly, if I kill the power for 1/2 hour and start it again it works for the first five minutes. Any suggestions?
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Old 17th September 2008, 07:57 AM   #12
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change the capacitor

it could be that you have a monday morning capacitor that sliped through the quality control

Robert-Jan
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Old 17th September 2008, 01:08 PM   #13
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change the capacitor

it could be that you have a monday morning capacitor that sliped through the quality control

Robert-Jan
could as well be his private "monday morning". Electrolytic capacitors don't like reverse charging at all!

Go check it!

Hans
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Old 19th September 2008, 08:20 PM   #14
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Turns out it was my Monday morning capacitor, btw the circuit works great.

Thank you all so much for your time and help, I really appreciate it!
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Old 20th September 2008, 03:28 AM   #15
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Turns out it was my Monday morning capacitor, btw the circuit works great.

Thank you all so much for your time and help, I really appreciate it!
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