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Old 5th August 2008, 12:51 PM   (permalink)
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Ugh Torben, you must be using real high res settings. Your image sends all your text way off my screen. My eyesight is not so good so I stick to 1152x864.
You could alter the DPI setting to make system fonts larger, rather than using a lower resolution.
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Old 5th August 2008, 07:23 PM   (permalink)
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You could alter the DPI setting to make system fonts larger, rather than using a lower resolution.
Yeah, that's what I do. Makes the fonts look smoother too.


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Old 6th August 2008, 02:24 AM   (permalink)
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Thanks, I will try that.
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Old 6th August 2008, 03:02 AM   (permalink)
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I mean identification. How will you know one remote from another? If they all put out same frequency and codes, it will be hard to know which room is requesting service. See what I mean?
I think the range of the remote control should be selected not to be so large, so that we can arrange the remote control sets as the picture shown. I think the signal will not overlape. How about your suggestion?
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Old 6th August 2008, 04:14 AM   (permalink)
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Hi,

Bit tired ....
and pondered this so long that i'm not sure ive got it right ....

Also havent included the LED indication, another set of three probably.

As shown, should be minimum battery draw,
and quenching of the cap thats not in use,
so that even mistaken switching between positions should not be a problem.

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Old 6th August 2008, 04:43 AM   (permalink)
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I think the range of the remote control should be selected not to be so large, so that we can arrange the remote control sets as the picture shown. I think the signal will not overlape. How about your suggestion?
Ok here are a few questions.

I took your image and modified it. I see what your thinking here but here is the thing. With limited range Transmit, the receiver would have to be close enough for coverage. Look at my image, with coverage for Area 1, then Area 2 would not be able to transmit to RX1. Only way I see around this is multiple receive units, is that your plan?
Also is the reciever able to receive multiple frequencies? Say room 1-3 frequency?
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Old 6th August 2008, 06:12 AM   (permalink)
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Adrian, I don't think you ever answered my question about how far the devices must be able to send.

Will there be a portable unit in each room which must reach only to a display unit on the door, or must all rooms be able to send individual signals to a central location somewhere in the hotel?


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Old 6th August 2008, 06:29 AM   (permalink)
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Going by Adrians previous image. It would appear that there is a seperate remote for each room, ie. room 1 has freq 1, room 2 uses freq 2 etc. The drawing provided by Adrian would also imply a multi channel RX which I questioned. Adrian also assumed he could use redundant remote frequencies which would not interfere based on distance from TX room 1 with TX room 4, which would force multi RX units to maintain full floor coverage.
IMHO this plan is not to workable as is.
Perhaps the wireless idea be thrown out in lieu of a wired approach like a multi addressable 2 wire bus where the wires are ran under carpet or something.
I dunno...
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Old 6th August 2008, 06:31 AM   (permalink)
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Ok here are a few questions.

I took your image and modified it. I see what your thinking here but here is the thing. With limited range Transmit, the receiver would have to be close enough for coverage. Look at my image, with coverage for Area 1, then Area 2 would not be able to transmit to RX1. Only way I see around this is multiple receive units, is that your plan?
Also is the reciever able to receive multiple frequencies? Say room 1-3 frequency?
Each room have it own set of remote control and reciever. room 1-3 are independent. The frequency used in room1 will not be used in room2,3 and vice versa.
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Old 6th August 2008, 06:35 AM   (permalink)
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Adrian, I don't think you ever answered my question about how far the devices must be able to send.

Will there be a portable unit in each room which must reach only to a display unit on the door, or must all rooms be able to send individual signals to a central location somewhere in the hotel?


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The receiver and remote control box should be fixed. otherwise why don't i used the original remote control directly(the problem will not exist)?
Not all rooms should sent the signal to central. The cleaner will check the outdoor LED indication. Just show the alarm outside the door is good enough.

The range of the signal to be send , i think 400 feet square is good enough.
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Old 6th August 2008, 06:38 AM   (permalink)
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Hi Mike!

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Going by Adrians previous image. It would appear that there is a seperate remote for each room, ie. room 1 has freq 1, room 2 uses freq 2 etc. The drawing provided by Adrian would also imply a multi channel RX which I questioned. Adrian also assumed he could use redundant remote frequencies which would not interfere based on distance from TX room 1 with TX room 4, which would force multi RX units to maintain full floor coverage.
Yeah, I got that there would be one remote in each room. What I'm trying to determine is whether it's expected to reach only from a portable unit the customer can activate (say, from the bed or something) to light up the LEDs on a door unit, or whether the idea is that there will be some central control room which must receive signals from all the rooms.

If it's the first option, then Adrian's diagram might work, since no remote needs to be able to send a signal further than that room's door. If it's the second option, then I agree with you, and some other communication method should be looked at. I was thinking about Wifi or Zigbee modules, perhaps.

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IMHO this plan is not to workable as is.
Perhaps the wireless idea be thrown out in lieu of a wired approach like a multi addressable 2 wire bus where the wires are ran under carpet or something.
I dunno...
A wired approach would be easiest, I agree. But if the hotel owner doesn't want to lay wire for it, the only ways I can see to do that would be to piggyback on the phone or AC lines. Those ideas open their own cans of worms.


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Old 6th August 2008, 06:41 AM   (permalink)
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Each room have it own set of remote control and reciever. room 1-3 are independent. The frequency used in room1 will not be used in room2,3 and vice versa.
That seems to defeat the purpose of going wireless as each receiver will still need to have wires ran to it. Why not just use a wired interface and run wire under carpet or some such. To reduce amount of wires, a 2 wire multi addressable serial link could be used.

Just a thought
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Old 6th August 2008, 06:42 AM   (permalink)
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Going by Adrians previous image. It would appear that there is a seperate remote for each room, ie. room 1 has freq 1, room 2 uses freq 2 etc. The drawing provided by Adrian would also imply a multi channel RX which I questioned. Adrian also assumed he could use redundant remote frequencies which would not interfere based on distance from TX room 1 with TX room 4, which would force multi RX units to maintain full floor coverage.
IMHO this plan is not to workable as is.
Perhaps the wireless idea be thrown out in lieu of a wired approach like a multi addressable 2 wire bus where the wires are ran under carpet or something.
I dunno...

Actually this kind of service should be done with wire and is more reliable. I think the haven't consider about that when they construct the building. Also each time the battery is used up , they need to recharge them. But there are may be some hundred rooms. Also , i don't think this idea work properly.

I also asked my boss why don't they used wire. He told me that it is hard to provide voltage source for that device......
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Old 6th August 2008, 06:43 AM   (permalink)
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The receiver and remote control box should be fixed. otherwise why don't i used the original remote control directly(the problem will not exist)?
I don't know. Why don't you use the original remote control? I'm guessing it's so that people don't steal them. Then again, you could always keep extras in stock and put a "remote control deposit" on the bill. For instance, if the remotes cost $10 each, then add $10 to the room bill, which will be returned to the customers when they return the remote control to the desk when they check out.

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Not all rooms should sent the signal to central. The cleaner will check the outdoor LED indication. Just show the alarm outside the door is good enough.
Ah, OK then! That simplifies things quite a bit. In that case your diagram might work.

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The range of the signal to be send , i think 400 feet square is good enough.
To what will the control unit be fixed? The receiver will be fixed to the door or to the wall near the door, right?


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Old 6th August 2008, 06:51 AM   (permalink)
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That seems to defeat the purpose of going wireless as each receiver will still need to have wires ran to it. Why not just use a wired interface and run wire under carpet or some such. To reduce amount of wires, a 2 wire multi addressable serial link could be used.

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I agree--if the devices are fixed, simply run power lines to each device. The savings against using batteries over time should outweigh the cost of running the wires.

If each control unit only ever needs to communicate with its own display unit at the door, then wouldn't just two wires for the commands be enough, and not even need to be addressable? Two bits is enough to represent four states, and we only need to represent three states.


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