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Old 25th May 2008, 01:22 PM   (permalink)
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the bulb blowing off by itself cannot open a breaker . however ionization of air because it arched and sustained the short will do that breakers are not fast the short must be there for a long time to open it because of heat caused by the current.
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Old 25th May 2008, 03:33 PM   (permalink)
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throw a wrench across your car battery and tell me if it will arc or not
Rather dangerous proposition-- wrench melts off-- these situations we heard while working in telecom, as jokes around 2500AH 2V lead acid cells.
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Old 25th May 2008, 03:53 PM   (permalink)
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Also, I doubt the wrench itself actually melts, it's more likely that the battery terminals, which are made of lead, will melt.
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Old 25th May 2008, 07:39 PM   (permalink)
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Also, I doubt the wrench itself actually melts, it's more likely that the battery terminals, which are made of lead, will melt.
I saw wrenches melting across high power battery terminals. -- wrench across battery terminals without an fuse or circuit breaker.
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Old 26th May 2008, 11:25 AM   (permalink)
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I saw wrenches melting across high power battery terminals. -- wrench across battery terminals without an fuse or circuit breaker.
I think every garage in the world has probably experienced this - it's very impressive to see though!
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Old 26th May 2008, 12:16 PM   (permalink)
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... (and "posative" just looks goofy).


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Old 27th May 2008, 01:44 PM   (permalink)
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On a relatively frequent basis I will have a filament failure accompanied by circuit breaker tripping.
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Old 25th August 2008, 08:48 PM   (permalink)
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It just happend to me. (light bulb vs circuit breaker) Re: arcs at 120 VAC; yes, the blue great flash seen when the filament opens, or is open and power is applied is an arc. If you could measure the lumens at that exact point you could determin the current and calculate the resistance. I still can understand after looking at trip current curves of 15 amp breakers how it can trip.
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Old 25th August 2008, 09:03 PM   (permalink)
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It just happend to me. (light bulb vs circuit breaker) Re: arcs at 120 VAC; yes, the blue great flash seen when the filament opens, or is open and power is applied is an arc. If you could measure the lumens at that exact point you could determin the current and calculate the resistance. I still can understand after looking at trip current curves of 15 amp breakers how it can trip.
There might be hostile atmosphere with heavy lightening etc during this time, over there ?
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Old 25th August 2008, 10:37 PM   (permalink)
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throw a wrench across your car battery and tell me if it will arc or not
When the wrench glows red-hot then there is no arc.

It takes a high voltage and a gap to make an arc.
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Old 25th August 2008, 10:44 PM   (permalink)
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When the wrench glows red-hot then there is no arc.

It takes a high voltage and a gap to make an arc.
You're slipping AG - check the post date, it's months old and already been answered.
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Old 25th August 2008, 11:43 PM   (permalink)
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Lamps are supposed to have fuse wire inside to prevent the low resistance arc from tripping breakers.
Maybe the I^2 T curve, the trip curve, of the fuse wire was a few amps to the right of the I^2 T curve for your breaker.

Arcs have incrementally negative resistance; at some point in the V I curve an increasing voltage causes a decreasing current, but on the whole the V I curve slopes upward and to the right with increasing V or increasing I.

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Old 26th August 2008, 12:02 AM   (permalink)
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There are some extremely cheap light bulbs sold.
They don't have safety fuses.
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Old 26th August 2008, 05:36 AM   (permalink)
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No hostile weather at time. This is the 3rd time in ten years that it has happend, same fixture subject to vibrations from adjacent stairs. Re: current, the filament does show signs of physical distortion that would indicate high current considering the properties of tungsten. It doesn't make sence but I'm sure the flash seen is from an arc. And Nigel, unless there was a third page in the original discusion, It has not been answered. (If someone wants to talk lead acid stationary batteries, I'm the guy. Charging, step loads, short circuit currents, heat, testing, longevity, etc.)
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Old 26th August 2008, 06:03 PM   (permalink)
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Halogen bulbs certainly don't have a safety fuse - they're always tripping the breakers.
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