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| Hi, is the BJT amplifier suitable for a sin wave with a swing around 4vpp amplification? Or any suggestion on the amplifier that should i build for the above-mentioned purpose? By the way, there is only one amplifier for each channel in my design (as shown in the diagram). Will the amplifier provide enough amplification (20dB) for the received signal? Or should i add another amplifier in the design (each channel in receiver part)? I have designed an amplifier using 2N2222, however the gain is just around 10... Is there anything that i have done wrongly in designing this amplifier? Are 2N2222 and 2N2222A the same BJT transistor? | |
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http://www.tpub.com/neets/book8/31g.htm Usually, the collector uses a tank circuit instead of a resistor, but a tuned circuit is often also used at the base. You don't need the tuned circuit on the base, but the one on the collector is essential to getting good performance. these links may give more useful example info: http://www.isp.ca/ve3nh/w7iuv.htm http://www.isp.ca/ve3nh/w1fb.htm http://freespace.virgin.net/geoff.co...3PQA-amp-1.jpg http://www.n3ox.net/projects/rxloop/
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I have rebuild the small signal amplifier, and it works quite well where it produces 20*log (37/2) = approximately 25dB of gain. I can only simulate the circuit using the signal ranging from 1micro to 1nano Vpp. The simulator went wrong when I was trying to simulate the circuit using 1 pico Vpp signal. On your opinion, does this amplifier work well? (The diagram and waveform included). Did i connect the tank filter to the amplifier correctly? By the way, I cant get the output signal from the amplifier... (Please refer to tank amp.pdf) Last edited by Harros; 6th March 2008 at 06:06 PM. | ||
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| Well, I have finished the RF amplifier design, it seems working well (with a gain of approximately 30dB). It seems the tank filter greatly improve the gain of the amplifier... What do you think about this amplifier? However, there is a problem where the output of the amplifier for the signal with nano volt range is not desirable as the output waveform (the waveform is perfect) is shifted up and down in simulation. It seems its due to input coupling capacitor as I try varying the value of that capacitor and investigate the result waveform for the 1uV-range input, the waveform shifted up and down (similar to the above-mentioned situation) when i adjust the capacitor with the value smaller than it supposed to be... What do you think? | |
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I'm not happy with your choice of base bias resistors. The ratio of base resistors to the emitter resistor is simply too large and cannot be supported by a current gain of only 100 such as the 2n222 might have. You need to either increase the emitter resistor, which will reduce the total collector current, or you have to reduce the base bias resistors so that the base current necessary to drive the emitter resistor doesn't cause a significant voltage drop across the upper base bias resistor. While the tank circuit topology seems OK, I'm surprised that the tap ratio is so high. You have tapped the 50 ohm load about 90% across the tank circuit, which dramatically reduces the tank's loaded Q. These types of circuits usually work better when the loaded Q is about 10 to 30% less than the unloaded Q.
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| I have redesigned the circuitry to lower the resistance of the voltage divider. I tried to tap the 50 ohm load about 10% across the tank circuit ( i mean i tap it with the tapped value in the previous circuitry up side down), the gain was however greatly decreased (to 0.18dB...), and the waveform is shifted up and down... I wonder why this happens... By the way, i am planning to add a power amplifier to the output of the crystal oscillator to boost the transmitting power of the transmitter to 20dBm (100mW) if possible. The oscillator output swings around 4 volts... Do you have any suggestion on the type of amplifier that i can build? Last edited by Harros; 7th March 2008 at 06:25 AM. | |
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There are many types of amps you can use. I will consider and repost
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| I recommend that you use the same amplifier topology as you already have using the 2n2222 but adjust the emitter resistor so that the collector current remains relatively high so that the amplifier does not limit until it can deliver about 2.5 Volts RMS into the 50 ohm output. You may have to adjust the tapping ratio and your base bias, but it should be able to give you the power output you want.
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| I don't see any coupling between L1 and L2 on the schematic. Is this correct? | |
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| Well, this is the updated schematic of the circuitry... The amplifier seems working very well, the output is desirable for the pico volt input... As I know, the hfe value for individual transistor might differ even they are same model. Should I measure the hfe value of the transistor and rearrange the circuitry to match the hfe value? Regarding the phase detector, I cant perform the simulation for this circuit as there is no pspice model for this component: AD8302. Do you have any suggestion on the way that i should determine the values for all the components associated with the circuitry? Or should I refer to the circuitry in data sheets here (AD8302.pdf and Operation of RF Detector Products at Low Frequency.pdf)? Last edited by Harros; 8th March 2008 at 05:32 AM. | |
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| Your bias design is the type that insures that HFE variation does not significantly affect the operating point, so you don't need to check each transistor. It is common practice to use the application circuit suggested in the data sheet or application notes from the manufacturer. This is especially true for ICs with complex functions such as this one. I find it a bit humorous that you say the amplifier works well. Of course I understand that you mean in simulation only. In my experience, something that works well in simulation does not necessarily work well in practice, especially at RF frequencies. The simulation does not account for stray coupling, non-ideal characteristics of components, stray inductance and capacitance, high impedance grounds, magnetic 120Hz induced noise, power supply noise, AM broadcast radio interference, changes in component values due to heating, bad soldering, undesired feedback, and a few other things. The simulation is extremely useful to get the basics worked out though, so it is still a valuable step in design.
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