+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3
1 2 3 Last
Results 1 to 15 of 36

Thread: Ultra Violet Radation Meter

  1. #1
    Olihou Newbie
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    21°45'N 115°00'E Global Village
    Posts
    50

    Smile Ultra Violet Radation Meter

    I have the interest to build a UVB meter for measuring the ultraviolet radiation intensity in the wavelength range from 280 to 320 nanometer. It will be used in my reptile house. The reptiles need UVB light for making vitamin D for bone health, but over doze will hurt them.

    UV meters are available as laboratory instruments and are quite expensive (hundreds of dollars).

    I think I can meet my target with a simple circuit. What I need is a UVB detector diode plus a high gain current amplifier. May be a budget of $50 will suffice?

    Any advice please, on the detector diodes and circuits?
    I am NOT a llama !


  2. #2
    akg
    akg is offline
    akg Newbie
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    India
    Posts
    1,406

    Default

    startwith the datasheets of some photodiodes..
    Gods own Country
    Incredible !ndia

    www.flickr.com/photos/_akg/

    "Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach that man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime."

  3. #3
    Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    England
    Posts
    13,043

    Default

    RS sis do some UV photodiodes perhapps you should start there.

    I do not answer private messages asking for help because no one else can: benefit from advice I may give or correct me if I'm wrong.

    Please ask on the open forum if you have a question and I'll be happy to help,
    if I know the answer.

  4. #4
    Tarsil Newbie
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Timisoara, Romania
    Posts
    290

    Default

    About the diode try this:http://www.boselec.com/products/docu...0photodiode%22
    http://www.scitec.uk.com/uvphotodiodes/
    About the first link..it describes a UV photodiode with integrated amplifier which I've seen in a industrial made apliance.
    U might manage to go under 50$ for the gadget. But u'l stil need to borow a industrial made one for comparing&adjusting readings.
    If is too complicated.....most of the times is the wrong way.

  5. #5
    Tarsil Newbie
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Timisoara, Romania
    Posts
    290

    Post

    I've also seen some more cheaper&available Osram photodiodes.
    If is too complicated.....most of the times is the wrong way.

  6. #6
    Olihou Newbie
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    21°45'N 115°00'E Global Village
    Posts
    50

    Default

    Hi every body

    At last I have been able to find locally a supply of UV sensor diodes OS100 from Orion Semiconductor: http://www.orion-semi.com/orionsemi.html

    I have tried it out, giving a few mV output when shined with a small UV lamp used for checking bank notes.

    Will look for suitable circuits to make a handy UVB Meter.

    Again any advice please with regard to the circuits, the curent amplifiers....and how to calibrate it evetually ....... ?????
    I am NOT a llama !

  7. #7
    jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Cleveland, OH, USA
    Posts
    1,589

    Default

    One can classify methods to determine the amount of light into three categories: 1)Those that convert the light to heat and measure the temperature change (thermopiles); 2) Those that use a chemical reaction with a known quantum yield (i.e., molecules of product per photon of light)(actinometer); and 3) Comparison with a reference meter or reference source.

    Since I don't know anything about the resources you have available, it is hard to advise. If there is a nearby medical university, you may check with the dermatology department to find out if they have a reference instrument you can use.

    If you cannot find a reference instrument, then actinometry is considerably easier to use than constructing your own thermopile. The most popular actinometric system is based on the photochemical conversion of ferrioxalate to ferrous ion. You will need access to a spectrophotometer to measure the product yield.

    Good luck. John

    References:
    1) Hatchard and Parker, Proc Roy Soc (London) A235, 518 (1956).
    2) http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/userlab/pdf/E136uvpaper.pdf
    3) The Iodide/Iodate Actinometer in UV Disinfection: Determination of the Fluence Rate Distribution in UV Reactors. Photochem Photobiol. 2006 Mar-Apr;82(2):611-5.
    Last edited by jpanhalt; 17th October 2006 at 11:32 AM.

  8. #8
    Tarsil Newbie
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Timisoara, Romania
    Posts
    290

    Lightbulb

    Quote Originally Posted by Olihou
    Hi every body

    At last I have been able to find locally a supply of UV sensor diodes OS100 from Orion Semiconductor: http://www.orion-semi.com/orionsemi.html

    I have tried it out, giving a few mV output when shined with a small UV lamp used for checking bank notes.

    Will look for suitable circuits to make a handy UVB Meter.

    Again any advice please with regard to the circuits, the curent amplifiers....and how to calibrate it evetually ....... ?????
    U'l need a voltage amplifier and a opamp or a couple of transistors (I'd use a FET or MOS-FET cause of much higher imput impedance) will do. U'l need to amplify the voltage like 300X or so. The output of that amp goes to the analog imput of a uC (wich wil take care of the display to).
    U'l need to compare the instrument to a industrial one.Just get some UV intensity (read on the ind meter) =f(V) ..voltage read at the autput of the amplifier. After that get de UVi=f(V) function (u can use a software designed for that) and let the uC do the math. U might get around 50$ if u use a LED display.
    Keep me posted.
    If is too complicated.....most of the times is the wrong way.

  9. #9
    Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent Hero999 Excellent
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    England
    Posts
    13,043

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Olihou
    I have tried it out, giving a few mV output when shined with a small UV lamp used for checking bank notes.
    Probably because it's a UVA/Visible violet source, but UVB. If it's UVA you're after then most UV LEDs will work quite well as photodiodes.

    I do not answer private messages asking for help because no one else can: benefit from advice I may give or correct me if I'm wrong.

    Please ask on the open forum if you have a question and I'll be happy to help,
    if I know the answer.

  10. #10
    philba Good philba Good philba Good
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    1,887

    Default

    I'm not sure of this but you might be able to use the sun on a clear day. You should be able to compute the amount of UV based on latitude. maybe a local college's meteorology dept could help you out there.

  11. #11
    Olihou Newbie
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    21°45'N 115°00'E Global Village
    Posts
    50

    Smile

    Thank you all for the wonderful suggestions.

    I think I will use a high-input-impedance operational amplifier to amplify the tiny current from the UVB sensor diode (only 250 nA at 35 uW/cm2). TL081 is a possible choice but probably it will not work well at a supply voltage of 3 volt, which I intend to. I wonder if there is any better OP Amp for this purpose ?

    For display I will just use a small microammeter or simply a DVM to start with.

    As for calibration I will use a reference meter, if I can get one. The thermopile and the chemical methods are beyond my capability indeed.

    "You should be able to compute the amount of UV based on latitude" --- that is very interesting, philba. Can you advise how this is calculated ? by a formula ?
    I am NOT a llama !

  12. #12
    philba Good philba Good philba Good
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    1,887

    Default

    You should be able to compute the amount of UV based on latitude" --- that is very interesting, philba. Can you advise how this is calculated ? by a formula ?
    sorry, I don't know the formulas. google might help. I just know that the angle of the sun (actually amount of air the sunlight passes through) will change the amount of UV. I've seen charts that show UV radiation at the surface by time of day.

  13. #13
    Tarsil Newbie
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Timisoara, Romania
    Posts
    290

    Post

    Quote Originally Posted by philba
    sorry, I don't know the formulas. google might help. I just know that the angle of the sun (actually amount of air the sunlight passes through) will change the amount of UV. I've seen charts that show UV radiation at the surface by time of day.
    Those charts are about average intensity (think!?)> The UV level is afected by how much smog, humidity, air temp etc. so that won't be much accurate.
    If is too complicated.....most of the times is the wrong way.

  14. #14
    Tarsil Newbie
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Timisoara, Romania
    Posts
    290

    Question

    BTW...Why only 3V..that low voltage only increases the dificulties. U could use a 9V bat or so because that meter uses only 20-30mA Max (with display) and isn't used continous....Isn't it?
    If is too complicated.....most of the times is the wrong way.

  15. #15
    jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent jpanhalt Excellent
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Cleveland, OH, USA
    Posts
    1,589

    Default

    Actually, I was impressed by the suggestion of using a clear day as a standard from someone who lives in Seattle.

    It seems to be an excellent idea. Since your artificial lights are probably less intense than sunlight, if you can devise a way to block a known portion of the light, you can obtain a two-point calibration curve to refine your measurements. Obviously, great precision is not required, but we have no idea how non-linear the response may be or whether the response is saturated in direct sunlight. I used to use "neutral density" filters, which can be made from particle suspensions or even solid materials with holes that represent a known percentage of the total area. I would suggest an optical density of 1.0 (i.e., something that blocks 90% of the light) for obtaining your second calibration point. If you have contacts in a meteorology dept as suggested by Philba, they may have filters you could borrow. John

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3
1 2 3 Last

Similar Threads

  1. Analog Meter
    By windozeuser in forum General Electronics Chat
    Replies: 19
    Latest: 3rd October 2007, 02:44 PM
  2. Distance meter with ultra sonic
    By elnaz in forum Micro Controllers
    Replies: 2
    Latest: 6th July 2004, 09:54 AM
  3. Distance meter with ultra sonic
    By elnaz in forum Electronic Projects Design/Ideas/Reviews
    Replies: 2
    Latest: 5th July 2004, 12:07 PM
  4. Distance meter with ultra sonic
    By elnaz in forum General Electronics Chat
    Replies: 1
    Latest: 2nd July 2004, 06:18 PM
  5. Panel meter, analog VS digital
    By Johnson777717 in forum General Electronics Chat
    Replies: 7
    Latest: 22nd June 2004, 11:33 PM

Tags for this Thread