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Old 16th August 2006, 11:37 PM   (permalink)
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Years ago, an AC guy showed me with his amp meter, that if you sprayed water on the coils outside, the AC would draw less current and it did. I just was a school has patented a unit to take the water the AC pulls out and spray it on the coil, for $12.95 I think it was..

Anyway. I am thinking about a unit, something to detect the noise, vibration, or air from the fan. I want to turn on a misting try nozzle. I could use a microcontroller as they are do cheap.. Looking for ideas. Also, I realize the coils might corrode, but they are in the rain all the time.

Anyone know of a pump/misting unit that would be low cost and low voltage? Or I can switch the AC.. Just looking for ideas. Maybe I will add this to the intake of mt car as well.
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Old 17th August 2006, 12:01 AM   (permalink)
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Why not use a thermistor ?
The coils get hot when the AC is on, and the hotter they are the more effect the water will have on them, its a winner

As for the spray device... how about a simple electric motor + water pump like from a car screenwash ?
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Old 17th August 2006, 12:28 AM   (permalink)
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I will not be putting it in the units, if so the thermistor is a good idea. Might be a mic/op-amp and SSR..

Now the washer motor is a gerat idea. Walmart I think sells a small cheap
on, or they did.. And 12VDC. Thanks StopGo
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Old 17th August 2006, 01:13 AM   (permalink)
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Years ago, an AC guy showed me with his amp meter, that if you sprayed water on the coils outside, the AC would draw less current and it did. I just was a school has patented a unit to take the water the AC pulls out and spray it on the coil, for $12.95 I think it was..

Anyway. I am thinking about a unit, something to detect the noise, vibration, or air from the fan. I want to turn on a misting try nozzle. I could use a microcontroller as they are do cheap.. Looking for ideas. Also, I realize the coils might corrode, but they are in the rain all the time.

Anyone know of a pump/misting unit that would be low cost and low voltage? Or I can switch the AC.. Just looking for ideas. Maybe I will add this to the intake of mt car as well.
If you use tap water you will in short time have a layer of calcium deposited on your coils. Unless your water is very soft. Some window units spray the condensated water back on the coils with the rim of the fan but condesated water is essentially distilled water so there should be no calcium build up.
I would not try this on my unit.
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Old 17th August 2006, 02:31 AM   (permalink)
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Before they started charging for how much tap water is used, a guy at work used a high flow of cold tap water in a car's radiator in front of a fan. A huge waste of water but it made a good AC.
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Old 17th August 2006, 02:38 AM   (permalink)
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That sounds good to me. I think I will try it. I don’t know about Boynton but N. Palm Bch. has green algae in the city water. That might clog it up with slime.
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Old 17th August 2006, 02:42 AM   (permalink)
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If you use tap water you will in short time have a layer of calcium deposited on your coils. Unless your water is very soft. Some window units spray the condensated water back on the coils with the rim of the fan but condesated water is essentially distilled water so there should be no calcium build up.
I would not try this on my unit.
I have well water. And a Kinetico filter so the water is very soft.
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Old 17th August 2006, 02:44 AM   (permalink)
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Before they started charging for how much tap water is used, a guy at work used a high flow of cold tap water in a car's radiator in front of a fan. A huge waste of water but it made a good AC.
I have a well.. So good there. But I have to run the pump and keep up with the filter.

My kids leave a lot of bottled water around the house, this might work for me.
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Old 17th August 2006, 02:52 AM   (permalink)
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That sounds good to me. I think I will try it. I don’t know about Boynton but N. Palm Bch. has green algae in the city water. That might clog it up with slime.
I thought about calcium, iron, lime,etc (on a well). The fan pulls real hard, so I would rather have the algae. I will have to check it every month after I first do it..

But the units are in the yard and 300+ pine trees (yep in Boynton).. There are chemicals and salt in the air and one is unit (compressor side) is 20+ years old.

I am going to try it.. The guy showed me years ago and said "if you can use your electronics and do this you will get rich". Now I see the patent and say to myself "I am gonna have one now"..

Problem with the one they have that will not work for me. Air handlers are on the other side of the house and I can not get that water back to the compressor unit.
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Old 17th August 2006, 03:09 AM   (permalink)
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I thought about calcium, iron, lime,etc (on a well). The fan pulls real hard, so I would rather have the algae. I will have to check it every month after I first do it..

But the units are in the yard and 300+ pine trees (yep in Boynton).. There are chemicals and salt in the air and one is unit (compressor side) is 20+ years old.

I am going to try it.. The guy showed me years ago and said "if you can use your electronics and do this you will get rich". Now I see the patent and say to myself "I am gonna have one now"..

Problem with the one they have that will not work for me. Air handlers are on the other side of the house and I can not get that water back to the compressor unit.
An engineer I knew lives on the lake here in E. Ten. built a tank around his condenser coil and used lake water to cool it. The temperature was monitored and switched a pump on and off. The warm water was returned to the lake. You could probably do the same with your well water but you might need a second well for the discharge.
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Old 17th August 2006, 11:05 AM   (permalink)
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Evaporative cooling describes the basic principle being discussed here. It is employed regularly in commercial applications because the savings can easily justify the additional system complexity and cost. Residential applications are limited, usually, because cost/complexity exceed the benefit. There are manufacturers who provide equipment with a hot water pre-heating coil which serves a similar purpose. I know of a few who heat their pool water this way.

As already mentioned, many window air conditioners are such that the condenser fan picks up the liquid moisture to help lower the condensing temperature.

With the right controls it would seem that some worthwhile improvements could be made in a way that doesn't foul up the equipment. If you knew someone handy with refrigeration systems you might add a simple heat exchanger - could be just some lengths of tubing soldered or brazed together.
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Old 17th August 2006, 12:28 PM   (permalink)
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I haven't heard of this, what coils are we cooling here?
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Old 17th August 2006, 12:29 PM   (permalink)
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Condenser coil side of an AC unit - residential, I presume.
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Old 17th August 2006, 05:28 PM   (permalink)
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Correct. Condenser coil outside. Residential.
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Old 17th August 2006, 07:26 PM   (permalink)
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Water cooling is the only way to go after the air temp gets above 35C/100F and I'm investigating something like this for my 17KW 3phase 415V AC maybe something small like a garden mist-er system.
 
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