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Replacing an NPN for a PNP in the following circuit?

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  1. #11
    Roff Roff is offline
    Mike, shouldn't you add a gate current limiting resistor?
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  2. #12
    MikeMl MikeMl is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by Roff View Post
    Mike, shouldn't you add a gate current limiting resistor?
    R6 does it. Because of the resistor in the emitter, the Darlington acts as a constant current source.
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    Mike ML.

  3. #13
    Roff Roff is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMl View Post
    R6 does it. Because of the resistor in the emitter, the Darlington acts as a constant current source.
    I was commenting on post #6. I didn't even realize you had posted a later version.
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    Ron


  4. Thread Starter #14
    Delinquent Delinquent is offline
    Mike, I couldn't get a couple of parts - closest fit were a 470k pot and for the scr a x00619, bit having no joy getting it working. Do you think just those two components are ok in your circuit? I tried adding a simple led with a thyristor to show when there was input from the pt, but not even that lit!
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  5. #15
    MikeMl MikeMl is offline
    Do you have a DMM that has an input impedance > 10MegΩ in the DC Volts mode? If so, measure the voltage at the node named "det" in the circuit (wrt ground) while putting/removing an object in the light path. Report back with the two voltages.
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    Mike ML.

  6. Thread Starter #16
    Delinquent Delinquent is offline
    Thanks Mike. With object in path voltage was 0.94v, with the path clear it's 1.85v.
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  7. #17
    MikeMl MikeMl is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by Delinquent View Post
    Thanks Mike. With object in path voltage was 0.94v, with the path clear it's 1.85v.
    That means that very little energy from the photo-emitter is reaching the photo-detector. What is the emitter? How hard are you driving it? What is the distance from the emitter to the detector? What kind of ambient lighting?
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    Mike ML.

  8. Thread Starter #18
    Delinquent Delinquent is offline
    The emitter is a TSUS5400, which was suggested by the vendor as spectrally matched to the detector. Distance that that measurement was taken at was very small, only about 2 inches at most!!! Ambient light was 3 low energy lightbulb, each equivalent to 60w

    For a full picture, the sensor rig (wired as per the diagram on prev page) is two 3ft lengths of a medium quality speaker cable, one end is a 3.5mm stereo jack. The 470o resistor is at the emitter end of the cable, the two +ve's are joined at the stereo jack.

    The funny thing is, I have had problems with pretty much every circuit I've tried off the internet, I've made lots of sensors up in the past with different lengths and qualities of wire, different emitters and detectors... I ended up finding a simple detector circuit on the net and made up a simple dedicated unit to test the leads involving a thyristor a 220 ohm resistor and an LED. All the leads I have, tested, work well on the unit. All the sensors I've made light the LED (albeit dimly) at a distance of about 2ft, but as soon as I plug it into a trigger circuit it seems to drop to a matter of an inch or so!
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    Last edited by Delinquent; 28th March 2011 at 08:30 AM. Reason: missed a word out!

  9. #19
    MikeMl MikeMl is offline
    You did try to "align" the optical axis of the emitter with that of the detector?
    Try it while watching the voltmeter as above.
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    Mike ML.

  10. Thread Starter #20
    Delinquent Delinquent is offline
    indeed, I checked all that when originally making the leads up and consequently when I've run into problems, it was what prompted me to make the little test unit. The rx has quite a wide viewing angle and testing it with a mm showed the axis makes little difference at close range.
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