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    madhippiescientist Newbie
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    Flashing Battery Status Monitor

    I would like an L.E.D. to flash every couple of seconds
    when a sealed gel-cell battery is fully charged, then flash
    more frequent as it discharges, to eventually staying on
    continuously when it needs to be charged. I understand
    I'll have to set the voltage levels with a potentiometer to
    "meet my needs". I would also like to incorporate a quick
    charge into it. 12V20Ah, and I would use the 12V700ma
    wall charger (as the quick charge bypass), and when not
    in bypass I would use it to float the battery. How big of a
    resistor (value and wattage) would be ideal to reduce the
    transformer for float charging? How about a circuit that
    oscillates the L.E.D. as the battery goes down? I know, it
    may be better to have the L.E.D. light less as the battery
    depletes, but I want it to grab someone's (my) attention.
    Even if it can't be electronically performed, I s'pose I would
    settle for the reverse (fully on at full charge, flashing slower
    as discharging and going off when in need of a charge), but
    I would much rather go the other way (more attention when
    in more dire need). Anyone???


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    change one word...

    With the resistor inquiry, I meant to indicate
    slow charging, not float charging...
    Last edited by madhippiescientist; 28th November 2009 at 12:30 PM.

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    What is the ampere hour rating of the battery you wish to charge? Do you mean to float charge at between 13.5 and 13.8 volts? Do you want the full charge circuit to sense charge voltage or charge current?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k7elp60 View Post
    What is the ampere hour rating of the battery you wish to charge? Do you mean to float charge at between 13.5 and 13.8 volts? Do you want the full charge circuit to sense charge voltage or charge current?
    12V20AH is a 20 Amp-Hour 12 Volt battery. It
    came with the 12V700ma wall adapter (both from
    one of those jump start toys).

    I'm going to have a 4T2P switch, one throw
    being "off", one being a direct connection to the wall
    adapter (so when it needs a charge I'll start it off
    at the full current and voltage), another throw being
    a "slower" charger (the one with the resistor?, so I
    could leave it unattended while re-charging), and
    the final throw being a float charger circuit (which I
    have) to leave it "on" in "standby" (to extend
    intervals between charging).
    The purpose of not going solely through the float
    charger, is because my entire circuit (which MAY
    have up to 2A of draw) is going to be connected to
    the battery, and once the battery NEEDS a charge,
    the float charger may not be able to "top off" the
    battery, because I'll still be drawing UP to 2A off of
    the battery 24/7. The float charger is also being
    supplied by the 12V700ma wall adapter (though the
    circuit I have specifies a 500ma transformer, I don't
    believe the 200ma difference will matter <utilizes an
    LM2941CT regulator).
    And even if it would, I would have the fast/slow
    bypass available to get the charge "going", at least
    until I get the battery up to a voltage level that will
    be easier on the float charger. The circuit for the
    float charger specifies to set the output voltage at
    13.5V.
    The circuit will not always be drawing up to 2A,
    and I simply mean to incorporate a method of
    bypassing the float charger if it is needed, and also
    when I know it needs a significant charge, then the
    draw that the float charger circuitry would normally
    be using up, can be routed directly to the battery
    hence recharging the battery a little faster. The
    circuit does always draw right about 1.2A.
    I want the circuit to sense BATTERY voltage, so
    I will likely also have to incorporate a sampler timer
    to disconnect the battery from the charger, say for 5
    seconds every two minutes, to send status to the
    L.E.D. ("on" when in desperate need of re-charge
    {<11.1V?}, fast "flashing" when approaching
    desperate re-charge to slow "flashing" when
    approaching re-charged {11.1V? to 13.1V?} with it's
    oscillation being linearly related??, and "off" when
    charged {>13.1V so I'll know to return the bypass to
    utilize float charger}. I'm only guessing, but I'll
    probably only have to "sequence" a bypass every
    couple of weeks {or maybe even longer?} with the
    float charger connected all the time. The sampler
    timer will always be cycling as well.
    My circuitry's mostly run through some 5V
    regulators and the (always on) stepper motor, runs
    through a 10V regulator, (only regulated in order to
    more closely regulate it's timing), so when the
    battery dips it won't affect how the device (Lehman
    Seismometer and helicorder w/a servo driven stylus)
    operates. I just want the battery to survive,
    especially for when the power goes out, and a simple
    L.E.D. to show me how the battery is doing. And
    when the power does goes out, especially if it's for a
    long duration, I know I'll be better off trying to more
    quickly re-charge 90% of it, compared to the float
    charger taking several days to do it (as far as the
    battery's "lifespan" is concerned).

    FYI...The float charge circuit I have incorporates
    full charge "detection" as well as the temperature
    compensation. Mostly, this thread is about the status
    monitor and the slow charge resistor(?), not the
    charging of the battery (I've read tons of threads
    here and elsewhere re such), and unless say the V
    levels that I've specified herein (L.E.D. levels / float
    charger) would be better off at another value, I'm
    intent on manufacturing a bypass even if the float
    charger could handle it all by itself, so please don't
    write trying to change my mind about HOW to charge
    the battery...
    Last edited by madhippiescientist; 29th November 2009 at 08:27 AM.

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    My ideas so far about the single L.E.D. battery
    status monitor are as follows, and my questions are
    included...

    The sample timer would be an astable variable
    duty timer (lm555) that would incorporate an
    isolation transistor to turn on a different astable
    timer (lm555 on a 50/50 cycle) that has it's voltage
    to the R reduced in such a manner that it slows
    the charging of C accordingly. But this would cause
    the L.E.D. to flash less frequent as the battery dips.
    How could I reverse this, so as the voltage dips the
    C would charge faster (causing a shorter duration).
    Might I incorporate a network of Zener/general
    purpose diodes with transistors to "install" different
    resistors for the C, for say 8 different voltage levels?
    But how could I readily do this with the least current
    draw and smallest footprint? Also, I'm aiming to have
    the oscillation vary at steps less than 0.7v apart!
    I'm so stuck...How could I do this???
    Then, I need some sort of a circuit that senses
    the lowest voltage setting and keeps the L.E.D. "on"
    until V rises. The float charger has an L.E.D. for when
    the battery is fully charged, and I could inverse this
    signal (to override the "monitor") with an isolation
    transistor, to "disconnect" the L.E.D., hence leaving
    it "off". But I need a circuit to keep it on when a low
    threshold has been reached. Anybody with any ideas?
    I was also thinking that maybe for the slow charge
    option, I might have to use a diode and not a resisitor.
    I know the diode reduces the voltage and the resisitor
    limits the current, so which would be better for a slow
    charger? Reducing the adapter by 0.7v or the current
    being supplied? Say I want to lower the 12V700ma to
    12V200ma, does this mean that I need a 60Ω resistor
    to do this or a 24Ω? How many watts in size minimum?
    What would be most ideal as far as eliminating blowout
    and/or it being too hot to the touch? Or should I do
    the diode (or two?), and if so, w/ sinking up to 700ma,
    how many amps would be the most ideal for such (re
    eliminating blowout, keeping it cool)? Would a 1N4001
    suffice <I think it's 1A 50V>, or do I really need to kick
    up the "size" of the diode? 2A?? 3A??? More?????

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    Well, I have the timer circuit finished. It is
    actually two variable duty timers I'm using. But I
    still need a means of selecting which resistor to
    "insert" between pin7 (of the second 555, which
    controls the L.E.D.s flash rate) and VCC. I am
    still wondering about creating a transistor "ladder"
    but also don't know how I could keep it out of
    "bar graph" mode (so only one transistor is on
    at a time). Can anybody help me?
    I was thinking of resistors for measuring the
    voltage levels, and somehow having each drive a
    transistor to pass VCC and a resistor for the timer,
    through to the timer. But I am guessing I would
    also need another transistor that somehow cuts
    off the Vin from subsequent transistors on the
    ladder so only the circuit just above the cutoff
    voltage will activate. Any ideas anyone??? I was
    also thinking of a "bargraph voltmeter" chip (I do
    know there's one out there but I don't remember
    it's number), set it to "peak" (no bar graph) and
    have each of it's outputs do the transistor and
    resistor thing (it would need a Vcc out from the
    chip, and not ground). Help...

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    Well, it's the LM3914 voltmeter chip. This would do the beauty.
    How could I inverse the chip's outgoing gnd to Vcc??? (then I could
    place different resistors between each transistor(?) and pin7 on the 555).
    Would I need an inverter for this, and if so, can anyone suggest the
    device (Vcc is 5v, Vin is up to 13.8v or so) most ideal, and how I
    should wire it?

    Vin => LM3914 => each level pin (Gnd out) => inverter? (+5v out)=> R
    (all level pins arrayed to pin7 of 555 after each levels resistor).

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