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Old 16th November 2009, 05:47 PM   #1
Default Batter Charging with MAX712 IC

Hello. I am wanting to build a battery charger for a project i'm working on. First, the details:

Charger IC: MAX712 Data Sheet
Battery Pack: 6 AA Rayovac Hybrid NiMH 1.2v, 2100mAh
Power Supply: Regulated Laptop Power Supply - 19vDC 3.42A
Intended Charge Rate: 1C using voltage slope detection

There are a number of calculations on the MAX712 datasheet that i'm not 100% sure about. Can anyone confirm these values for me?


R1:
R1=(minimum wall-cube voltage - 5v) / 5mA
Is 19v my "minimum" wall-cube voltage since it's a regulated power supply? Assuming the answer is yes: (19v - 5v)/5mA = 2.8k ohm resistor?

Rsense (current sensing resistor):
Ifast=(capacity of battery in mAh)/(charge time in hours)
Ifast=2100mAh/1 hour = 2100

Rsense=.25v/Ifast
Rsense= .25v/2100 = .000119 = .119 ohm resistor?

PNP (Q1)
PDpnp = (maximum wall-cube voltage under load - minimum battery voltage) x (charge current in amps)
The 2N6109 on the datasheet shows a max of 40, but i'm worried about heat. Will a normal TO-220 heatsink like the one below be enough??

PGM Settings:
PGM0/PGM1 - Open/Open (6 Cells)
PGM2/PGM3 - Ref/Ref (90 min timeout w/ voltage slope enabled)


Other values (defaults):
Vlimit = Ref
TLO = Batt-
C1 = 1uF
C2 = 0.01uF
C3 = 10uF
R2 = 150 ohm
R3 = 68k ohm
R4 = 22k ohm
D1 = 1N4001


Thank you for any advice you can offer!
-Scott
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Old 16th November 2009, 08:09 PM   #2
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I would have said that 19v input is a little on the high side for charging 6 AA batteries......

That said reducing the input voltage is going to be good for the power dissipation in the 2N6109....which is not operating in a linear mode anyway...

Assuming a fully charged Nimh cell is around 1.2v,then 6 of these will equate to 7.2v..

Having an extra 4volts headroom for the circuit to function correctly I'd say 12v would be sufficient..

In which case R1 would be 1.4k (12-5)/0.005

Rsense stays the same although a preferred value would 0.12 ohms
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Old 16th November 2009, 10:14 PM   #3
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Chippie, thanks for the response. I was goign with that 19v supply because I was having problems finding an inexpensive 12v, 2100ma+ power supply. I don't really need the 1C charge rate though. I found this 12vDC 1A switching power supply on ebay.

If i used that one, would I need to do a C/3 charge rate?

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Old 17th November 2009, 01:33 AM   #4
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Sounds better to me.

Leave R1 at 1.4KΩ and increase Rsense to 410mΩ for a charge current of C/2. (600mA).

That way you'll have enough headroom for both, supply voltage and current.

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Old 17th November 2009, 01:42 AM   #5
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Boncuk, thanks for the response. I'm confused by the 600mA part of your response. I was under the impression that C/2 would require 1050mA? (2100mA/2)
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Old 17th November 2009, 08:26 PM   #6
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The 600mA thing has thrown me for a loop. I was thinking C/3 would be my max rate with 2100mAh batteries and a 1A power supply. Am I not understanding something?
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Old 17th November 2009, 09:06 PM   #7
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Charging at 600ma just means the cells wil take longer to charge....3hrs.....


Remember, the cells are 2100mah capacity, charging at 2100ma means they will be charged in an hour(thereabouts)

The 1 amp psu is ok because the load current = the charge current ....600ma in this case
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Old 17th November 2009, 09:12 PM   #8
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Leave R1 at 1.4KΩ and increase Rsense to 410mΩ for a charge current of C/2. (600mA).
Ok, thanks. He meant 600mA for C/3, not C/2. Thanks again Chippie!
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Old 17th November 2009, 09:43 PM   #9
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Assuming a fully charged Nimh cell is around 1.2v,then 6 of these will equate to 7.2v.
Please do not assume things that are wrong. Look it up.

In Energizer's Ni-MH battery applications manual they show that their AA cell's voltage peaks at 1.55V when it is charged at 1C. Then the total for 6 cells is 9.3V.
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Old 17th November 2009, 10:59 PM   #10
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Please do not assume things that are wrong. Look it up.

In Energizer's Ni-MH battery applications manual they show that their AA cell's voltage peaks at 1.55V when it is charged at 1C. Then the total for 6 cells is 9.3V.
Fair comment...

But I then didnt specify any particular brand of cell.....


Nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution......
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Old 17th November 2009, 11:35 PM   #11
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But I then didnt specify any particular brand of cell.....
The brand doesn't matter. Ni-MH is Ni-MH. They are all the same.

Energizer AA Ni-MH cells are made in Japan by maybe Sanyo. Their 9V Ni-MH battery is made in Germany by whoever.
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Old 18th November 2009, 12:34 AM   #12
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Boncuk, thanks for the response. I'm confused by the 600mA part of your response. I was under the impression that C/2 would require 1050mA? (2100mA/2)
Oops! Number twister. I used 1200mA.

Anyway 1050mA will be too much for your small power supply. Go for 80 to 90% load of the rated power.
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Old 18th November 2009, 04:43 PM   #13
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Ok, thanks guys. I ordered a 12v 2A regulated power supply and am going with a C/2 charge rate. I designed and built this layout last night:



I hope i got it right. The last thing is to add LED indicators. The datasheet gives this example:



Does that mean i should put one LED between R1 and V+ without any other resistors? (i'm used to putting a 1k resistor before my LEDs, but think R1 handles it here?)

Then a 2nd LED between V+ and FASTCHARGE with a 470 ohm resistor preceding it? Why does it say 470 ohm minimum? Should i just use the 1k resistors i have around?

Thanks again for all your help!
-Scott
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