At first I thought that a competition was a good idea even though I had no intention of competinging in it myself but now I don't think it is such a good idea is as it did cause some trouble.

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I do have a verry bitter taste in my mouth if I see the word competition and electro tech online in the same message
and that's all due the experiance of the first one

if there is more transperancy introduced in how entrys will be judge and disputes can be explaned by interpetation of the rules I might considder to partisipate again

there are already a lot of words spoken in several threads regarding this and i would advice to have a good look at it, to come to a better set up of the competition than before

Robert-Jan

 

I regret that the last competition did now work out better.

Some of the old threads may have been removed. If you have suggestions this is the thread to make them in.

The judging was clear and easy to understand. Your entry was not posted by ElectroMaster. I do not know why, it was his call.

If we do another contest I will do my best to see to it that it is fair. I will be doing the work ElectroMaster did in the last contest, it should move along at a brisker pace.

But I see you did not vote.

3v0

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I did vote now

one thing that should be clear if a entry is rejected is the reason why

my entry was rejected and no is reason given why

I ask an explanation and an answer is promised but not given

the rules where pretty clear in my opinion and the thread over the interpetation gives a good idea where the limits where

my entry whas in my opinion within all the limits

that somebody makes a mistake in the interpetation of the rules that can hapen no hard feelings for that but than in that case there was also time enough to fix it

if all moderators have a vote on the entrys than all moderators should also judge the entrys on complying with the set of rules.

if any ??? arise regarding complaince with the rules than the moderators can vote for rejection of the entry or acseptance (with or without an handicap)

before the member vote stage of the process

if it result in an rejection than it's easy to publish it as this entry is rejected/handicapted because of not complying with ......rule

the poster still have a chance to modify in that case and the whole proces is open (more thrustworthy)

and it's clear for all participants that it is fair

Robert-Jan

 

Current the poll is running 2 to 1 in favor of holding another competition.

Less then 20 people have voted. That tells me that were we to hold another competition we would have few entries.

If you have an opinion regarding this please vote.

3v0

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I just voted yes. Heck, there's nothing else to do. They economy is going down the toilet.

Some suggestions:

1) A puzzle. For example, what is the smallest number of 1K resistors (exactly 1K) you can assemble to attain a certain value ±1%. That concept can be expanded to include any number of passive components.

2) Almost any routing problem

3) Design an op-amp circuit with specific characteristics starting with a given op-amp.

4) Minimal code steps to do XZY with a PIC 16Fxxx

Overall, keep it fun, quick, and no big prizes.

John

 

If we follow John's suggestion how important are prizes ?

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hi 3v0,
Hope this maybe of use to you.

Did a listing of forum members 'active helpers', going over recent posts, there are about 50 ish.

Of the last contestants, 4 of the 5 enteries where by active helpers.

So I would say thats about a 10% of the active helpers.

From this very rough analysis I would say there is not much point in holding another competition based on the previous criteria.

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Well, you know what they say about statistics.

I think what 3V0 seems to be asking is whether the poor participation was possibly due to the nature of that contest.

Just look at how some questions get comments by (it seems) almost all of the "active helpers;" whereas, others have very few responses. I suspect the same would hold true for contests.

John

 

Here's an additional thought. Look at how many entries Bill (blueroomelectronics) had with his "1-day contest." I don't think the comments were motivated in the least by the prize. I'll wager it was the challenge to be first and best for most people. And, the contest was only for one day.

So, my point is that a contest can be viewed as not much more than a regular question. The major difference is that the question is more carefully presented (we hope), and there is a guaranteed resolution. That is, feedback on the outcome.

There has never been a problem in getting active participation in such "contests" on this forum.

John

 

The poll closes tomorrow.

Observations & Ideas

The majority wants a contest but interest is weak. In part because the first contest has generated a bad attitude.

Picking the right subject in a group a diverse as ours is never going to be easy. I doubt there is a single subject that would allow everyone, maybe even a majority, to enter.

If it is reasonable to expect 5 people or less to enter any given contest we need to scale back the contest period and the prizes. It does not make sense to round up $100's in prizes with so few people.

Maybe it makes sense to run more frequent smaller contest. Maybe two a month. Small or no prizes. Maybe we could get Electromaster to up the PM limit for the winners.

In the case where prizes are other then money I would like to create a prize pool for the winners to pick from. I am not thinking anything big here maybe PCBs, hand tools, whatever we can get donated or scrounge.

A concern I have with non monetary prizes is shipping. At times it could cost more the the prizes. I need to think about that.

It could be that we could make this work if we grow into it. Start with something as simple as brain teasers or electronic puzzles.

I would like to hold another competition but only if there is a reasonable probability of success. I define success as it meeting a set of expectations which is dependant on the contest.

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How about putting the question of prizes to the forum members?

Product prizes could lead to lots of complications and unanticipated costs, as you suggest. So, I would ask whether material prizes (products or money) enhance the competition, have a neutral effect, or detract from participation. It seems clear that any material prize will effectively limit the frequency of contests.

I would also ask a question about whether and what form of non-material prize would be desired.

John

 

I favor another contest, though I entered my bike trailer taillight controller after the closing date. I designed and built it in 1987 and still works to this day.
Why not have a similar contest - the simplest circuit with up to ten components, without fear of intellectual property infringement, or a circuit built off a PCB supported only by its wire leads? There are other contests and calls for toys on the Web - should we compete with them?

 

I guess I come up much too late in this discussion.

I was winner of the non-MCU contest last year, but ashamingly I must also admit I was the only participant in that discipline.

There are so many useful hints for members of this forum and I sometimes wonder why just a few members participate in competitions.

Maybe the "stick of advertising" has to be stirred clearly visible to all - which wasn't the case with the last competition. (One had to know which forum subdivision to enter before proceeding. Many of the forum members don't have English language as their native language, which makes it more difficult to navigate through the site). The same applied to me being newbie on the site until I found the right pathts. (I'm German).

Therefor I think it would be useful for this great community to set up a schedule about when and where to post an oncoming competition with the help (including me) to make it right for everybody to read and react posting the oncoming event clearly in the site home top line and explain how to get there.

BTW, because I didn't receive a reply from Electomaster after my offer to support the forum, here now bublic to all being concerned with the forum: Money transfer is extremeley difficult from Thailand to any place in the world for foreigners, and that's why I offered to pay support via snail-mail in a normal envelope hiding the cash by carbon paper. However I never received a reply to that suggestion.

I guess asking for support is not a question of "HOW". Am I wrong?

Boncuk

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