Was that before or after my liver damage ? What the hell my brain doesn't give a damn.

Captain I don't think she'll take anymore ........


Bar keep I'll have another round. Burp !


kv

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Thanks for the info, John,

now I know what alcoholics understand by "regular life".

 

Wine is mainly made from grape. I'm sure no one will fight me on that. The grape is about 80% water and 20% sugar.
During the process of making wine the sugar is fermented to alcohol. People generally call that ethyl alcohol, or more commonly ethanol.
Good stuff, ethanol, I love it. (Not necessarily for drinking)

Wine in general is made up like this:
250g water; 25g ethyl alcohol; 3g glycerine; 1g pectins; 1g acid; 500mg polyphenols(whatever that is); and logically the flavouring bits that go in there.

So that is your good old red sitting on the counter.

If I recall, Dr Oz on Oprah one day said that without the alcohol in the wine it would loose that health benefit, interesting. He did not provide any proof to that statement, but I think we can trust him on that.

Oh and by the way, ethanol is CH3-CH2-OH.
Now why the hell do you want to put that into your body in any case!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphenols

Wine also contains some sugar which hasn't been converterd to acohol.

I hate wine, just the smell of the stuff makes me feel sick.

I do drink beer and cider though.

I brew my own cider, the longer you leave it to ferment before botling the higer the alcohol content and the dryer the flavour. I prefer it inbetween. I'm still experimenting at the moment, the cider I made last year was far to dry and the year before was a bit sweet.

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Yeah I hate wine also. It smells and tastes like dirty rotten mouthwash to me. I had wine before I ever had grape juice and since they smell the same I always hold me breath now before drinking grape juice- it smells horrible but tastes completely different than it smells which is strange.

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I'm allergic to apple, so don't drink cider.
Beer on the other hand is too damn bitter for my tongue.

I only drink sweet wine, there are quite a few sweet red and white variants here in SA.
The really dry stuff is also a no-no for me, revolting taste.
You should try some of the sweeter wines, it really tastes different to the rest.
Like lekke juice, with a slight kick.

 

Here's one Ernest and Gallo Restaurant Blend ? (Brand Name.) Most of their wine are cheep tasting so bad they make you shutter. However, I found a Restaurant version really good as a dinner wine. I can't seem to find it on their site however I can reach and grab the thing of the shelf here locally. Go figure.

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Well, in that case every drop of wine is pure waste.

Besides that I belong to the privledged people without any sense of smell. I never hear people say: "Good smell or good odour". Instead I very often hear them say: "That stinks."

So I guess it an advantage not be able to smell, especially driving cross-country when farmers spray liquid sh.. on their fields. I'm not bothered at all!

Hans

 

[quote=arrie;330469]
Wine in general is made up like this:
250g water; 25g ethyl alcohol; 3g glycerine; 1g pectins; 1g acid; 500mg polyphenols(whatever that is); ...

Polyhenols are etheric oils, also richly contained in orange fruit skins. Peel an orange and squeeze the skin thereby holding a lighter close to it. You'll observe small puffs of fire without any smoke. These are also etheric oils.

 

[quote=Boncuk;330554]These are also suggested in the study to have increase the French Paradox.

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There are many other factors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Paradox

I visited the Ukraine a month ago and they drink lots of wine, eat lots of fat, one of their national dishes is lard, and they have a very high rate of heart disease.

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@Hero999
There clearly are many factors in heart and vascular disease. Genetics is a huge factor. Read the original Framingham study, not the glossy interpretations of it.

The original study of cholesterol lowering by diet and lifestyle changes was designed as two tailed. That is, could such changes be either bad or good. Results showed no difference in death rates between the groups when analyzed that way. The study analysis was then changed to look only at possible good effects (i.e., one-tailed) and to ignore deleterious effects. A correlation was found in that way. Changing a study design, after it has been completed to fit desired results is scientific misrepresentation, if not fraud in my opinion.

Why was there no effect when analyzed in a two-tailed model? Because of suicides and accidental deaths. That is, the diets were so bad you would rather be dead, were depressed by them, or got killed while bicycling on a motorway. Even in the one-tailed analysis, increase in life expectancy was just 6 months.

If I were to die at 80, I would take good food, wine, etc. in exchange for 6 more months in a nursing home anytime.

None of this is to imply that people with really increased cholesterol should not be treated medically. My point is the over emphasis on just one measure (serum cholesterol) and its non-linear relationship to longevity.

John

 

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Besides that I belong to the privledged people without any sense of smell. I never hear people say: "Good smell or good odour". Instead I very often hear them say: "That stinks."

We actually discuss the smell of wine very often, but only when drinking it for the first time, thereafter, only enjoy the flavours. Must be a South African thing.

You make some interesting statements, John.
I know of a lot of people who improved their bad cholesterol from just altering their diet, and animal fat is a no-no.
Eating fat as a food choice is stupid.
We also have a thing here with people making biltong. They perform much the same process to raw cow fat and eat it like biltong.
Not good, tastes really salty and nice, they say, but not for me.
Someone else once told me that when a human or animal system tries to get rid of toxins, like auto-detox or something, it stores those toxins in the fatty layer.
then you want to eat that. Yuck.
If a restaurant put meat in front of me with a lot of fat on it, I go ballistic.

 

The types of fat suggested in the study stated the French consumed fat but the fat was not related to animal fat. It was milk and cheese among others.

Lowering the overall effect of triglycerides because they don't eat like Americans.

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Funny.

I'm almost sure we classify the fat in cheese and milk same as animal fat. I think because, the alpha of it is that it's from an animal.

Needless to say.

Are fats in cheese and milk not also bad for you? I think.
The only good fats according to the brainy folk are from seeds and like stuff.
Ooh..ooh, that reminds me, I haven't had my daily intake of one cup raw sunflower seed. Better get going.