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Old 5th July 2008, 09:58 PM   (permalink)
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Maybe we must look towards humans as our next source of energy.
Statement (follows) I found somewhere on internet, claims to be well researched.

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all humans and animals contribute to global warming by exhaling excess carbon dioxide (font and rear end) and methane gases (rear end) while also releasing Btus to the environment.

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Heck, in the next 30 odd years we may be the only culprits causing environmental decay.

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Old 5th July 2008, 10:09 PM   (permalink)
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In some areas cows are a greater emitter of greenhouse gasses than automobiles. One of my favorite quotes (paraphrasing) is "Try to find an emission control method for that"

We inherently want a stable unchanging system that is beneficial to ourselves, and the real world doesn't work like that.
In the long run the human race is guaranteed to no longer exist in it's current form, and over very long periods of time it won't exist in any recognizable form even under the best of conditions. No one wants to deal with that simple reality. Either by cultural or biological evolution or extinction and likely all of the above, in a few million years 'we' are gone.

The concern for the state of the environment is just an extension of our own unwillingness to deal with our own mortality.
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Old 5th July 2008, 10:45 PM   (permalink)
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I can't wait to see the prototype.

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Old 5th July 2008, 10:51 PM   (permalink)
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Holy Cow! Someone actually built one. lol

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Old 5th July 2008, 11:37 PM   (permalink)
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It just doesn't add up.

The methane produced by cattle is carbon neutral. Cows eat grass which absorbs CO2 when it grows and the amount of carbon they emit into the atmosphere is less than what was absorbed by the grass - some of the grass' biomass goes into the cow and the rest is deposited in the dung.

Humans are only responsible of 3.225% of annual CO2 emissions, the rest is natural. Fair enough there might be some build up but it's hard to believe that a large proportion won't be absorbed by plants and the sea.
Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers

Granted we're probably having an effect on the climate but it doesn't make sense that it's as devastating as some say.
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Old 5th July 2008, 11:54 PM   (permalink)
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Holy Cow! Someone actually built one. lol

but those are sheep!
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Old 6th July 2008, 12:07 AM   (permalink)
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Same basic principle. Holy sheep just did not sound right
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Old 6th July 2008, 12:30 AM   (permalink)
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In some areas cows are a greater emitter of greenhouse gasses than automobiles. One of my favorite quotes (paraphrasing) is "Try to find an emission control method for that"
The obvious emission control is: stop raising cattle. Diets, and markets, based on cattle are a holdover from antiquity that is inconsistent with the needs of 2008. Get your B12 from somewhere else, and stop destroying my planet.
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Old 6th July 2008, 12:34 AM   (permalink)
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I had marinated sirloins tips with fried onions and mushrooms for dinner the other night and I'm having seasoned ground sirloin burgers for dinner tonight. Take away my beef and I'll put you as the first on a short list of the 'long pork' I'll try after all the beef is gone!
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Old 6th July 2008, 01:43 AM   (permalink)
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Bacon > Beef
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Old 6th July 2008, 02:25 AM   (permalink)
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Humans are only responsible of 3.225% of annual CO2 emissions, the rest is natural. Fair enough there might be some build up but it's hard to believe that a large proportion won't be absorbed by plants and the sea.
Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers
A quick whois turns up the name of Monte Hieb who is a geologist who works in the coal industry.
An interesting link from the same page:
CO2 vs Temperature: Last 50,000 years
Monte Hieb's page is also debunked here and many other places:
chill out
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Old 6th July 2008, 02:26 AM   (permalink)
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Some animals and people are vegetarians. I like meat.
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Old 6th July 2008, 03:30 AM   (permalink)
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If everyone on the planet reduced their carbon emissions, on average, by 20% then the amount produced would be exactly the same in 15 years time due to population growth. Whatever is done to reduce emissions is quickly negated by population growth. Amazingly, China with it's 1 child policy, is the only country tackling this problem. Most other countries are actively trying to increase their birth rate due to the looming pension crisis.

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Old 6th July 2008, 07:56 AM   (permalink)
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Hi arrie,

humans as the source of energy ? Well I guess it is not a new idea, the movie "The Matrix" comes to my mind ....

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Old 6th July 2008, 09:35 AM   (permalink)
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A quick whois turns up the name of Monte Hieb who is a geologist who works in the coal industry.
An interesting link from the same page:
CO2 vs Temperature: Last 50,000 years
Finally something informative. There's still a lot of uncertainty and it needs updating but it's good to find a good source of scientific data on the natural vs anthropogenic CO2 levels.

Still I'd like to know what the annual fluctuation of natural CO2 is.

Also this does not refute my claim that carbon released from cattle is carbon neutral and shouldn't be the subject of hysteria.
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