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killivolt · 5th April 2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jpanhalt

Not my intent at all. I was just trying to explain what the phrase meant, and one must use it carefully, I believe. Have you ever heard something to the effect, "I like sausages, but I don't want to know how they are made?"

To that, one might apply ignorance is bliss.

I once saw a compilation of adages that showed for virtually every adage there is another one that gives opposite advice. They are a nice part of every language, but because of the cultural context, they can give trouble in translation. John

Thank you both for the info I'm always glad when someone can help with such things I see it would have been far better for me to have kept silent.

It might be my best option in the future to just preview my post and let it stay that way (resist hitting submit.) Then I won't be confusing people (language is so troublesome.)

whoooa !

ikalogic · 5th April 2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by killivolt

To easily believe or (Easy Belief ism) without physical evidence to support that God Exists. When you apply it to the natural laws of this known Universe it is not logical.

If you suggest everyone should accept this as truth without humility because this is only your personal belief. To proceed with same lack of accuracy is to suggest they are ignorant of that said truth (That you personally have accepted) will only inflame a conversation without supporting data to back it up.

To further inflame the point by speaking as if this is widely accepted by everyone else in the world and that somehow you must be stupid (Not physically expressed) but yet has a descending ring in it will only light the match to the fuel you just poured on it.

From what I have seen you are not confrontational. Therefore it will not become a problem for someone else to solve or debate about.

You can find what you are looking for (Debate or Discussion) most people here or anywhere will be ready and willing to give you what you want.

(Sorry about the incoherent gibberish)
(Sorry if it is to be much of the same)

Okay.. just a little point I'd like to add. I never "suggested everyone should accept this as truth without humility because this is only my personal belief"

and i didn't inflame anything, i was just answering a question, in the most possible discrete fashion, trying NOT to inflame this kind of discussion, simply because i "don't" want to debate about this.

Let me tell how i feel exactly about that, since the conversation came to that point, this will also add up with your comment when you said i was not confrontational: I am deeply in love with my religion,I respect it, and praise it proudly every day. However, you will rarely see me trying to talk about it, and for sure, you will never see me suggesting anything to you, or to anyone!

In my ideology, as an open minded half French/ half Egyptian, I believe this is something between me and my self. The fact that you believe or not is not my business, and i don't even want to know about, and that's why, when i referred to paradise, i asked not turn this thread into what it has become now! i was just answering a simple question with a simple answer... but apparently, just using words like "God" or "paradise" inflames a discussion like that.. it's good to know

Anyway.. i may seem angry or something, but i am not at all, it's cool!

look what a thread about bill gates turned into!! well the chit-chat is one controversial forum!!

loool

killivolt · 6th April 2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalogic

Okay.. just a little point I'd like to add. I never "suggested everyone should accept this as truth without humility because this is only my personal belief"

(True.)

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Originally Posted by ikalogic

and i didn't inflame anything, i was just answering a question, in the most possible discrete fashion, trying NOT to inflame this kind of discussion, simply because i "don't" want to debate about this.

(True.)

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Originally Posted by ikalogic

Let me tell how i feel exactly about that, since the conversation came to that point, this will also add up with your comment when you said i was not confrontational: I am deeply in love with my religion,I respect it, and praise it proudly every day. However, you will rarely see me trying to talk about it, and for sure, you will never see me suggesting anything to you, or to anyone!

(No words)

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Originally Posted by ikalogic

In my ideology, as an open minded half French/ half Egyptian, I believe this is something between me and my self. The fact that you believe or not is not my business, and i don't even want to know about, and that's why, when i referred to paradise, i asked not turn this thread into what it has become now! i was just answering a simple question with a simple answer... but apparently, just using words like "God" or "paradise" inflames a discussion like that.. it's good to know

(Cool)

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Originally Posted by ikalogic

Anyway.. i may seem angry or something, but i am not at all, it's cool!

(GREAT) Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ikalogic

look what a thread about bill gates turned into!! well the chit-chat is one controversial forum!!

loool

(True)

WOW ............ whooa

Marks256 · 7th April 2008, 01:17 AM

I didn't even read any of this thread, so bear with me...

I have nothing against bill gates. He is a brilliant person. He made something out of nothing. I do, however have a problem with his recent products... Pista, etc...

I am a linux lover, but gates is a genius.

Hank Fletcher · 7th April 2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marks256

I have nothing against bill gates. He is a brilliant person. He made something out of nothing.

You mean he made something out of being rich to begin with. Gates is no genius - he's a shrewd, and arguably heartless, businessman. There's been no net contribution by Gates himself towards innovative thinking or the cultural fabric of our society. Given the resources available to him through his incredible wealth and that of his business, he's done very little in terms of advancing any field. But that's not his objective: making money is.

Nolan Bushnell has my vote for the best contributor/innovator/businessman in this area. Made a great product, knew how to market it, everybody's happy, and when he got bored, he got out.

Marks256 · 7th April 2008, 09:28 PM

IMO Steve Wozniak has my vote. HE is a genius.

Hank Fletcher · 8th April 2008, 02:26 AM

Wozniak, and Apple etc, are a good example of how innovation can reasonably counter and compete with monolithic monopolies like Microsoft. Apple demonstrates how there is no reward without risk. Microsoft, on the otherhand, demonstrates how conservatism is inevitably terminal.

ikalogic · 8th April 2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Fletcher

You mean he made something out of being rich to begin with. Gates is no genius - he's a shrewd, and arguably heartless, businessman. There's been no net contribution by Gates himself towards innovative thinking or the cultural fabric of our society. Given the resources available to him through his incredible wealth and that of his business, he's done very little in terms of advancing any field. But that's not his objective: making money is.

Nolan Bushnell has my vote for the best contributor/innovator/businessman in this area. Made a great product, knew how to market it, everybody's happy, and when he got bored, he got out.

I do agree with that. I am impressed how can some company do that little innovation, with that amount of money! On the other hand, though the last decade or more, Microsoft have only prevented others to innovate, making the consumer the first one to suffer from the presence of microsoft.

many people think microsoft is 'good' because they just don't know anything else.

In my opinion, microsoft must be spending 10% on research and development, and the remaining 90% on studies on how to prevent anyone from doing better products, thought the most malicious, barely-legal techniques...

blueroomelectronics · 8th April 2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalogic

In my opinion, microsoft must be spending 10% on research and development, and the remaining 90% on studies on how to prevent anyone from doing better products, thought the most malicious, barely-legal techniques...

And Apple is any better? They used to be lawsuit central, probably still are.

ikalogic · 8th April 2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blueroomelectronics

And Apple is any better? They used to be lawsuit central, probably still are.

probably not, i don't know i am not an apple user, but from what i've heard, apple products are much more reliable than microsofts'

Hank Fletcher · 8th April 2008, 04:55 PM

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And Apple is any better? They used to be lawsuit central, probably still are.

I'm a PC user, and no Apple fan (they just don't have any products that appeal to me), but it's good to know that there's at least some competition, whether it's in the legal or marketing spheres.

What I don't like is the idea of a large company using its resources to research and develop, and then patent and protect, innovative developments with no intention to share or even to immediately market them. Think about it: Microsoft hedges its bets, and makes half-assed R&D efforts in just about as many areas as it can, with no better reason to patent a poor product other than to establish a tenuous precedence for Microsoft being the originator of the new product. It doesn't matter that the product was poorly designed and did not at the time consider the context of the immediate market - Microsoft can afford to argue, and win, its case in court. Can the one-off, innovative entrepreneur compete in court against Microsoft?

ikalogic · 8th April 2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Fletcher

I'm a PC user, and no Apple fan (they just don't have any products that appeal to me), but it's good to know that there's at least some competition, whether it's in the legal or marketing spheres.

What I don't like is the idea of a large company using its resources to research and develop, and then patent and protect, innovative developments with no intention to share or even to immediately market them. Think about it: Microsoft hedges its bets, and makes half-assed R&D efforts in just about as many areas as it can, with no better reason to patent a poor product other than to establish a tenuous precedence for Microsoft being the originator of the new product. It doesn't matter that the product was poorly designed and did not at the time consider the context of the immediate market - Microsoft can afford to argue, and win, its case in court. Can the one-off, innovative entrepreneur compete in court against Microsoft?

no.. the poor guy usually losses everything!

Marks256 · 10th April 2008, 12:57 AM

...which is exactly why i use linux!

**3v0** · 10th April 2008, 01:05 AM

When a corporation becomes as large, and wealthy, as MS it can pervert laws and people. This is hardly unique to MS. It is the sort of thing I rant about when we start talking governments.

The problem is much larger then MS bad behavior. It is a general threat.

ikalogic · 10th April 2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 3v0

When a corporation becomes as large, and wealthy, as MS it can pervert laws and people. This is hardly unique to MS. It is the sort of thing I rant about when we start talking governments.

The problem is much larger then MS bad behavior. It is a general threat.

yes i truly believe it is..

There is a point where MS cannot be compared to any other corporations or organization.. it is the fact that MS is responsible for retarding the software development field, making it what it is now.. in other words, I am sure that if MS didn't exist, the software industry would be unimaginably more developed than now..

bottom line, bill gates didn't do anything illegal.. he just bought a 'science' and prevented anybody from developing it.. but in a very indirect way

7th April 2008, 01:17 AM	(permalink)
Marks256 Experienced Member	I didn't even read any of this thread, so bear with me... I have nothing against bill gates. He is a brilliant person. He made something out of nothing. I do, however have a problem with his recent products... Pista, etc... I am a linux lover, but gates is a genius. __________________ There is no "I" in "team", unless Apple makes it... Then it would be iTeam.

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Marks256 Experienced Member	IMO Steve Wozniak has my vote. HE is a genius. __________________ There is no "I" in "team", unless Apple makes it... Then it would be iTeam.

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