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Old 3rd April 2008, 04:51 PM   (permalink)
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If you know some place that is better, all things considered, let me know. John
I do know a better place. But believe me nobody here wants to even hear about it.
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Old 3rd April 2008, 05:09 PM   (permalink)
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I do know a better place. But believe me nobody here wants to even hear about it.
Sure we do.
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Old 3rd April 2008, 05:26 PM   (permalink)
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Sure we do.
I don't think so.. since not a lot of users of the forum seems to be believe in god or heaven. anyway, what i wanted to say, it that in my religious beliefs, earth has never and will never be a perfect place to stay, but a transient period before going to heaven or elsewhere.

This was just to answer your question, but please, i kindly ask you all not to turn this thread into one where you make fun of God and other religious beliefs.
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Home is where you hang your hat.
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Old 3rd April 2008, 07:59 PM   (permalink)
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earth has never and will never be a perfect place to stay, but a transient period
Yeah, but I'm an impatient person. I'm also skeptical of whether someone has reserved any place better for me further down the line. I want to feel happy, safe, and make some robots now, or as close to now as possible.

For the most part, I agree with Beebop. Canadians tend to be a lazy bunch of turds on the best of days. That said, we tend to spend way too much time and energy feeling busy, that is, running around in circles without accomplishing much. I've got no problems with being casual, but be efficient about it - why not? Get what needs to be done out of the way, and have the extra energy to spend on fun stuff. We need to strike a balance somewhere between the Germans and Jamaicans.
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Old 3rd April 2008, 08:29 PM   (permalink)
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i kindly ask you all not to turn this thread into one where you make fun of God and other religious beliefs.
From what I've noticed this only happens when (Easy Belief ism) is forced without the sense humility. And to be the only truth within the scope of intelligent comprehension.

Maybe to suggest that it is widely accepted by the masses or to suggest that it is counter intuitive to think otherwise.
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Old 3rd April 2008, 09:11 PM   (permalink)
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Home is where you hang your hat.
what does that mean? (i guess it's an expression, right? but i don't know it )

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From what I'm noticed this only happens when (Easy Belief ism) is forced without the sense humility. And to be the only truth within the scope of intelligent comprehension.

Maybe to suggest that it is widely accepted by the masses or to suggest that it is counter intuitive to think otherwise.
i don't understand that either! but i am eager to understand!
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Old 4th April 2008, 02:13 PM   (permalink)
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don't understand that either! bang ! but i am eager to understand! Bang !

I just had to regedit your post to make it more clear ? ............

he he he .........whooa !
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i still don't understand...... ?
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They say ignorance is bliss ........... It's good to be happy
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Old 5th April 2008, 10:46 AM   (permalink)
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They say ignorance is bliss ........... It's good to be happy
seriously, what does it mean?
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Old 5th April 2008, 11:17 AM   (permalink)
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Hi Ibrahim,

I am not clear on which of the above you don't understand. Since it has been more than a day, let me try to explain some of them.

Bill's comment about home and hat is an idiom, or as you say, an expression, that may not translate literally and still mean the same thing. When men wore hats, they were generally taken off when indoors. When you went home, you hung it on a rack. Hence the saying.

Killivolt's first comment about "Easy Belief ism" doesn't make sense to me either. I would dismiss it as gibberish and not worry about what he was trying to say.

His second comment about ignorance is bliss may also be idiomatic, but I suspect it should translate pretty well. Basically, what it means is that one should not worry about something you do not know or understand, particularly if it is something you cannot change and/or might find unpleasant, if you knew. John
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From what I've noticed this only happens when (Easy Belief ism) is forced without the sense humility. And to be the only truth within the scope of intelligent comprehension.
To easily believe or (Easy Belief ism) without physical evidence to support that God Exists. When you apply it to the natural laws of this known Universe it is not logical.

If you suggest everyone should accept this as truth without humility because this is only your personal belief. To proceed with same lack of accuracy is to suggest they are ignorant of that said truth (That you personally have accepted) will only inflame a conversation without supporting data to back it up.

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Maybe to suggest that it is widely accepted by the masses or to suggest that it is counter intuitive to think otherwise.
To further inflame the point by speaking as if this is widely accepted by everyone else in the world and that somehow you must be stupid (Not physically expressed) but yet has a descending ring in it will only light the match to the fuel you just poured on it.

From what I have seen you are not confrontational. Therefore it will not become a problem for someone else to solve or debate about.

You can find what you are looking for (Debate or Discussion) most people here or anywhere will be ready and willing to give you what you want.

(Sorry about the incoherent gibberish)
(Sorry if it is to be much of the same)
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To further expand on jpanhalt's explanations, albeit with my own perspectives:

1) "Home is where you hang your hat." Jpanhalt gave a good cultural context for this metaphor. The sentiment of this expression is something along the lines of, "Wherever you rest at the end of each day is your home, and instrinsically worth as such to you to the exclusion of comparison to wherever other people might call their home." What exactly blueroomelectronics meant by this in the context of the previous posts to this thread, I'm still confused about myself. Literally it doesn't quite add up, which is another way of saying there's enough ambiguity of intent there to draw your own conclusions.

2) No doubt killivolt's ideas are obvious to him (most of the time I can piece together what his position is), but the incoherence of most of his posts often interferes with his intentions. No offense to him - his writing will no doubt improve during the course of his involvement in the forum (I know mine has!), it's just that shortcoming in his ability to articulate himself using the English language might not be obvious to people for whom English is not their first language.

3) "Ignorance is bliss." Jpanhalt's interpretation of this expression almost makes ignorance seem like a positive thing, although I've never thought about it that way before. I've never used this expression myself, and always presumed that it was an excuse for apathy. For instance, it excuses a teacher from interfering with the happiness of children, if the argument is that the effort to teach children new ideas does them more harm than the children having a limited set of experiences.
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Old 5th April 2008, 03:41 PM   (permalink)
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3) "Ignorance is bliss." Jpanhalt's interpretation of this expression almost makes ignorance seem like a positive thing, although I've never thought about it that way before.
Not my intent at all. I was just trying to explain what the phrase meant, and one must use it carefully, I believe. Have you ever heard something to the effect, "I like sausages, but I don't want to know how they are made?" To that, one might apply ignorance is bliss.

I once saw a compilation of adages that showed for virtually every adage there is another one that gives opposite advice. They are a nice part of every language, but because of the cultural context, they can give trouble in translation. John
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