that was stupid and a clear confirmation of his racist policies. the result, you guys lost out on government money because you dont want a black guy in your "club house."

 

Ok, Let's just slow down apparently you have lost site that this site is supposed to be about things not related to this subject. It takes away from the uniform agreement of the love for electronics ?

What's the point of stirring up this pot ?
Is there some sort of motivation for this comment directed to someone who feel differently than you do.

It's a free country I'm just a small part in the big picture and this is not the place to solve it. Do it at the booth pertaining to your own political agenda.

 

Not hiring a (pick your minority) employee because they are not qualified for the position is a racist policy? You aren't the sharpest tack are you?

 

i sincerely doubt that they couldnt find any minority that is qualified. they either werent looking or didnt care.

yeah it never occured to him, that they could train the poor guy and still get the funding. both sides would win. most jobs require on the job training anyways.

and what the hell does "stay at home" supposed to mean? i hope its not what i think it is. they are perpetuating a hate crime, the crime is denial of employment and the disguise is: oh no qualification-therefore no job, no training and NO DAMN CHANCE, you colored @#$%^&*!

Thats what he really means!

 

On-the-job training is just that: training specific to the job at hand. It has nothing to do with qualifications. Any job candidate can expect job training, but that is a long, long way from expecting the employer to provide an education for an unqualified applicant.

If the rules for the funding state that the 13th employee must be minority, and there is no qualified minority member applying for the job, then it is not the responsibility of the employer to just go find some random minority member and educate them up to the point where they have the basic qualifications for the job.

In short, job training and a qualifying education are in no way the same thing.


Torben

 

A guy I know (he married a woman who used to work with my wife) runs a department at one of the local council offices. In one of the small (5 or 6 people) offices he was in charge of, the head of the office was moving elsewhere, so he had to promote someone to the head position.

The obvious candidate was the second in charge, who had been there years, and actually did the job while the head was away.

But no, my friend was told (by his bosses) that he had to promote the black teenager who had only just started, solely because he was black. Now the black guy was really nice, and all of them liked him, so my friend went to have a word with him to explain the situation. He was absolutely horrified, he said he didn't know his own job yet and there was no way he would do that to his co-workers, and if they attempted to promote him he would resign.

In the event my friend promoted the second in command, and almost got sacked over it!.

No one should be promoted or employed on the basis of colour or religion, it should be purely on ability - being told you have to employ someone totally incapable of doing the job is just absolutely stupid.

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Speaking for my wife in this matter in addition to all of Nigle's statements would have been echoed by her and her family. It is one thing to feed a fish to a man and another to teach him to fish for the rest of his life.

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So you know more about their situation than they do? Minorities are exactly that: Minorities! College educated minorities are an even smaller minority group. Minorities also don't have the same distribution throughout the country as the white majority. This leads to the very likely scenario where there isn't enough skilled minorities in an area to satisfy the hiring requirements of a business. It's not as cut and dry as "they either weren't looking or didn't care."


Training means nothing if you don't have the basic skill set that a particular position requires.


I read it as they would have to higher an underqualified person that would be more productive just staying home in order to satisfy their quota so they can hire the properly qualified people that they need that don't happen to have the correct ethnic makeup.

 

People have comfort zones. A boss will take a friend's recommendation, he'll recruit in his church, and hire his son if he's qualified. Nothing wrong with that, except that the workplace will always be the same as the boss in all ways. Schools are more likely to admit a student if his father went there. Of course there's no intentional discrimination.

Quotas are wrong, but how do people outside that magic circle get an education or a job?

 

Come to South Africa and see what happens to you. Here employment works on a points system against you. A Black woman has a score of 1, Black man 2, White Woman 9 and White Man 10 (Last in the row).

I just resigned form a company that needed 12 qualified and skilled process engineers for power station control system designs. Because of the governments policies of Affirmative Action (BTW, we in RSA refer to it as Apartheid in reverse) the company employed 8 black men and one black woman BECAUSE they are black, and NOT because they can do the work.

I am not going to do someone else's work that gets paid the same salary as I do and he/she knows nothing. In our schooling system they simply DEMAND free classes, and at the end of the year when they all fail, they DEMAND their certificates or else they burn the place down.

Now tell me where's the justice in AA?

 

That pretty much explains why most of Africa is still in the dark ages.

 

Power Corrupts - Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. In every country at every level in every Town, State, or system. As long as people have a choice they make the wrong one. Put the new emerging technology's in their hands without education and wisdom the world begins to look much Bleeker than it did yesterday.

 

You hit the nail on the head. We are currently experiencing problems with power shortages. They call it loadshedding. Power to certain areas is switched off in periods of 2, 4 and 8 hours. When it rains in RSA, you can be certain, there's no power. No power = no light, hence the DARKness of Africa.

 

Affirmative Action was recently voted out of Michigan, I personally voted against it. Affirmative Action's purpose is to help those whose parents or own selves have been disadvantaged due to racism. However, Affirmative Action is discrimination, and does not represent equality in any sense other than to try to force equality through reverse-racism. The purpose behind it is nice, but in practice it has no place in modern America.

Also, race should have no place on an admissions sheet for colleges.

 

That a majority of voters who showed up at the polls rejected the use of affirmative action drove the folks from BAMN absolutely bats. They tried really hard to get their message out, but it was like pushing on a string.

http://www.bamn.com/

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