JimB

But it would shut the whinging greenies and their global warming!

JimB

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I²R

Perhaps, at least on a tiny scale due to relativistic effects. But, from a purely Kepplerian standpoint, the only thing that matters is the center of mass, which isn't going to change.

As a practical matter, of course, the Sun is far too small to become a black hole under its own collapse--it's well shy of the 3.2 solar mass Chandrasekkar limit. Even if it could be collapsed into a BH, say, by advanced aliens with Hpyer-Galactic Gravito-Implosion rays, the process of collapse itself would almost certainly shed considerable mass.

dknguyen

Wouldn't the inner planets be fried since the sun has to turn into a red giant first and then collapse? So it would get really hot first, then it would get really cold. Balance people! What more could you ask for?

rjvh

yes the world would colapse and eaten by the black hole

of course not

this is just a multi milion (oops did i say milion) bilion dollar project to prove or dis prove that the way we think how everything works on the smallest level that we can imagin

but in fact it won't change our daily lives maby the texbook of the students and the whole elite of the kwantum seince will have sleeples nights if the experiments prove the adapted asumsion wrong

but you and i still wondering what we would have for dinner and we still can plan or holidays

in my opinion the money spend on this research was better spend if they put it in super conduction research that would make an impact and a difference in everybodys live

Robert-Jan

jpanhalt

The impact of basic science advancement on everyday life cannot be predicted, as evidenced by the enormous impact of such advances in the 20th century on our lives. Who knows, understanding the nature of matter may lead to better fusion power, better superconductors, and maybe even new, as yet unimagined, sources of energy.

I think it is fortunate that the direction of research is in the hands of people whose only interests are not planning for the holidays or getting their next meal. Relatively speaking, only a puny amount is spent on basic research compared to the trillions that are spent on social programs and entertainment. John

pitronix

Hi there you scared people , I don't think that it would have any impact to anything if guys in CERN made a tiny BH in experiment. There are theories that say that this kind of BH is formed all around us, all the time. To be "dangerous" BH has to have some sort of critical mass which those do not have. As about Higs boson or famous God particle you should read Leon Lederman book under same title. This particle is supposed to be mediator of a kind for gravitational force. And I have to say that most of these concepts in quantum physics are rather hard to grasp whiteout knowing some realy advanced math, and I mean realy ADVANCED, like math i 12 dimensions! I used to be good in both but I don't really understand all these new quantum breakthroughs.

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Papabravo

Lest we get too concerned about the results it might be good to remember that energy out is always less than or equal to energy in.

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t.o.

Do we have a way of detecting such tiny BH? Very interesting.

I²R

No, for two fundamental reasons. First, the Schwartzchild radius of a proton-mass BH would be smaller than the Planck length. This makes such objects, if they exist, effectively undetectable. Second, due to Hawking radiation, a hole that small would evaporate within the order of 10^-30 seconds. I don't think anything we have can respond to an event that fast.

tom3000

this does apply pretty much to everything....but i do think that nuclear chain reaction has more energy out than in ....

Pommie

As does a match.

Mike.

rjvh

yes but do you know how much energy they put in to create this situation?

did they not build a seperate power plant to power this experiment???

Originally Posted by tom3000
this does apply pretty much to everything....but i do think that nuclear chain reaction has more energy out than in ....

in my opinion the energie in a nuclear chain reaction is just already stored energy which we only trigger
it is not that you make energy from nothing

on the other hand this is just an asumption that we learned on school but maby this is not true

same as that we discovered much later than the first electrical laws where created that electrons ectualy travel from the negative pole to the positive one

Robert-Jan

Bob Scott

Except in a battery or a generator.

I²R

No, the energy required to extract and process the chemicals which comprise the matchhead and to manufacture the match is quite a bit more than you get from actually burning it.

Bob Scott

Right, but a nuclear reaction requires a critical mass in order to sustain itself; the critical mass necessary for a black hole to continue to exist is apparently much much larger than all the mass in this solar system.

I won't lose any sleep.