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Old 19th February 2008, 01:26 AM   (permalink)
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Thanks guys. Lots of great advice. I will be doing some praying for sure. Half of it will be for just getting there without getting killed. People in my state suck at driving.

Hopefully I don't get stuck in it, but I was planning on starting my own company at one point anyways. At the moment I will take the first job that comes my way lol. My grades were not stellar, as I was more of a hands on type of learner in a not so hands-on school. I got nervous and would forget things that I knew in a test. In the lab I was the guy people came to for help. Before a test, I went to them lol. Hopefully I will have better luck than your buddy, Roff. This is a small company (9-10), so I shouldn't have a problem with people ignoring my value like in a large company.
You probably won't have a problem. The company I was working for was big - around 80-100 employees.
I didn't tell the ending of the story. Before my friend could find another job, the company had an opening in Amsterdam for a sales/service engineer. He took it, and almost went crazy for a couple of years. He didn't speak Dutch, he had a new baby, he had never done sales, and he knew absolutely no one. After a couple of years they moved his office and his family to England, where he was much more comfortable.
It all worked out for the best. He eventually moved to Connecticut and went to work for a big video equipment dealer, and after a few more years started his own dealership. He was very successful, and is now retired, I believe.
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Old 19th February 2008, 02:35 AM   (permalink)
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Good luck. And if you will, allow me to impart onto you some advice.
4: kiss your bosses @$$. work extra hard for him, stay late at work to please someone if they ask or want it and do whatever they tell you to do with a smile.
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this is bull shit in my oppinion

just be profesional and you get more respect

be resposible for your job and that's what the boss and also your coleuges like (they don't want to clean up sombodies elses mess)

don't be afraid to show your ambitions towarts your boss but do it a little less towarts your colueges unless you have build up a good relation ship and also know what is realistic in this company and what not

of course your job has some overtime but at the other end it has to come from both sides that means somtimes going earlyer should also not be a problem a good boss knows that

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Old 19th February 2008, 02:40 AM   (permalink)
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Before my friend could find another job, the company had an opening in Amsterdam for a sales/service engineer. He took it, and almost went crazy for a couple of years. He didn't speak Dutch,
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but everybody in Holland speaks english on an acseptable level
I do know cause Iam Dutch

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Old 19th February 2008, 03:02 AM   (permalink)
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but everybody in Holland speaks english on an acseptable level
I do know cause Iam Dutch

Robert-Jan
That's very true, and he mentioned that at the time, but the language barrier was still significant. Also, this was 40 years ago. I don't know if English was as pervasive then as it is now.
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Old 19th February 2008, 03:07 AM   (permalink)
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you find a lot more of the thinking questions for the 0-5yr canidates. In the event this is your first job, they basically can only ask a bit about what you've done at school. This often amounts to nearly nothing. And its very rare for you to have done a significant amount of work in the same field as the company itself.

"so, you've taken basic DSP eh? What can you tell me about snug frames vs tight frames?" not really a fair question for someone who only knows the FIR/IIR basics of DSP.
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Old 19th February 2008, 03:20 AM   (permalink)
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oh, and for interviews. Back in college I helped interview new prospective Lab and grading TA's. We try to hire as many people as possible, as the tuition benefit is maximized that way.

so of about 35 people, we hired 1.

but why? Many of the canidates had never used any (literally) of the lab equipment. This severly hurt their chances of getting a job TEACHING labs. One guy had a great resume for "satellite communication engineering". unfortunantly, he could not draw the spectrums for AM, DSB-SC, and SSB-SC. One canidate was asked to draw a logic-gate level adder. Ended up with a shift register. But the best one...

A professor picked up a resistor at random. then asked the canidate the value. the color codes are on a large chart. so he reads brown-blue-yellow -- 160k. well, the yellow band was actually gold, so its 1.6ohm. still, this is an understandable mistake. so he's ask to confirm this using the multimeter.

"well, if i had a way to measure current, and a voltage source, I could determine the resistance". He had never used a multimeter. so we show him what button to press to measure resistance (autoranging). He's still dumbfounded. after a few minutes (yes, not a short time), we show him the rack of cables.

Awesome, a lightbulb goes off. He picks up the BNC to alligator clip wire and starts to shove the alligator clips into the banna-jack inputs of the multimeter... ahhhh, thwarted again. This actually doesn't work. at least not for him. So a minute or so later, we suggest using a different cable.

In anycase, he didn't get the "teaching labs to students" job...

edit -- these are all grad students, or undergrads in an accelerated program. These people all had degrees from some university somewhere...
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Old 19th February 2008, 03:43 AM   (permalink)
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lol no. Try to come up with 10 reasons though. It's not easy when you are nervous. The easiest is: It's easier to roll 300lb of iron than carry it.
The true answer is probably so it is impossible to fall into the hole. By the way, I want that teaching lab equipment job, that sounds really easy.

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Old 19th February 2008, 04:38 AM   (permalink)
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Thanks guys. Lots of great advice. I will be doing some praying for sure. Half of it will be for just getting there without getting killed. People in my state suck at driving.

Hopefully I don't get stuck in it, but I was planning on starting my own company at one point anyways. At the moment I will take the first job that comes my way lol. My grades were not stellar, as I was more of a hands on type of learner in a not so hands-on school. I got nervous and would forget things that I knew in a test. In the lab I was the guy people came to for help. Before a test, I went to them lol. Hopefully I will have better luck than your buddy, Roff. This is a small company (9-10), so I shouldn't have a problem with people ignoring my value like in a large company.
Sounds good.

Praying is the most important thing. There are several candidates out there much more experienced than you and probably willing to work cheaper. For some reason, they picked you. Be grateful to the lord for this opportunity and don't let it go to your head that you accomplished this all on your own. You have had alot of help along the way. The lord, your parents/guardians and friends and whatnot. Thank them and stop by them for a visit from time to time. I sent my radio club advisor a AVT Department polo shirt and some posters from BATC. I got my advisors some LEXMARK RFID T-shirts. So be grateful.

Be humble and be yourself. You probably have a nice personality. HR people want folks who are team players and tackle problems with positive attitudes. Engineers want guys who are competent and get along very well. no one wants an old fart that complains and makes everyone's life miserable.

I wouldn't worry too much about the grades. People understand that there are intangibles and other circumstances during one's college life. Some kids get all the help from their parents, so no problems. But alot of folks have jobs, families and other commitments that might effect school. But the HR and engineer(s) that interviewed you saw qualities in you that satisfy the position.

When you get there, just be yourself and try to move with the flow. Ask for help when needed, if you are not familar with something, don't touch it, especially if you feel uncomfortable.

Whe I first started using network analyzers, these were very expensive equipment, something like 50K USD and above. They are sensitive to ESD events, suppose if a spark came in contact with the ports that exceeded 40 dBm, that will damage the whole equipment.
So we must wear wrist straps, still I wasn't sure, but I asked. Later on, once I got familiar with it, I used the reference book to touch on advanced topics like port extensions, Q-testing and whatnot.

But my key point is ask and soak up as much information and training as you can while you're there.


You'll enjoy it! You'll have fun working on cool projects, meeting interesting people and doing fun activities. Take a deep breath, relax and pray to the lord and all things will be fine!


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Old 19th February 2008, 04:42 AM   (permalink)
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The true answer is probably so it is impossible to fall into the hole. By the way, I want that teaching lab equipment job, that sounds really easy.
They don't pay very well and the work is overbearing. I graded ECE 444 Introduction to Communications Theory. I had alot of headaches with kids copying there matlab assignments and not knowing what a fourier transform is, let alone convolution theory. I argued with students that the solution was wrong, they'd gripe over me with a few oints. sometimes i caved in because i was tired or i didn't want to spend my free time looking over someone's homework.

The only benefit is that it waves tuition. But I guess to some folks its worth it. But I'll never to do it again! EVER!

I don't believe that manhole question. I can make a a square lid, tapered to a dovetail in the end. sort of like a trapezoid, that will never cave in due to the geometry. but meh...microsoft supposedly used it as a way to gauge prospective employees. but we all know, windows crashes all the time, so ....the question is suspect at best. its a trick question.

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Old 19th February 2008, 05:06 AM   (permalink)
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Anyone else have some cool interview stories? Post em here!
No Lol I was finding a job to work with electronics stuff but my poor country doesn't have them.The job i'm currently doing is something completely different from my electronics side i don't like that
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Old 19th February 2008, 05:13 AM   (permalink)
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No Lol I was finding a job to work with electronics stuff but my poor country doesn't have them.The job i'm currently doing is something completely different from my electronics side i don't like that
Join a radio club! Great way to learn and sustain electronics technology.
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Old 19th February 2008, 05:39 AM   (permalink)
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The true answer is probably so it is impossible to fall into the hole.
I thought so, too, at first. I think an equilateral triangle would also do the same trick, or maybe a hexagon. Given that, I think Ambient's answer that because it's easier to roll than pick up is a pretty good one. I put it to my girlfriend, she said that if the cover ever came loose, it would cause the least amount of damage to cars (i.e. no pointy bits). There seems to be a lot of good answers for "circle," it's the why that demonstrates imagination, I think.

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I don't believe that manhole question. I can make a a square lid, tapered to a dovetail in the end. sort of like a trapezoid, that will never cave in due to the geometry.
Please post a picture of what you mean.
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Old 19th February 2008, 06:17 AM   (permalink)
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minimum manhole sizes are set by standart
to have a minimum size at all directions the circle is the most economical to produce in order of material usage but also in the manufacturing process

so at the end of the day it is again the co$t of the product that shaped the manhole cover

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Old 19th February 2008, 06:30 AM   (permalink)
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Also the fact that the pipes are round would make a triangular manhole cover look pretty stupid.
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Old 19th February 2008, 07:02 AM   (permalink)
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A triangle can fall through. A hexagon can fall through. Of course, you can make the hole substantially smaller than the lid, and you can keep either one of them from falling through, but with a circle, the hole only has to be infinitesimally smaller than the lid.
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