So this is how China does it! - Electronic Circuits Projects Diagrams Free

**Krumlink** · 8th February 2008, 05:30 AM

Well I just found out how China can make their products so cheaply and fast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZrntCbVT8

Wow! Sitting inside the press? Like the comment said: OSHA would spontaneously combust. NS!!!

quixotron · 8th February 2008, 05:56 AM

Oh yeah. The recycling, decontamination and storage of hazardous materials is so expensive, that US companies sell the garbage to chinese pirates.

They then subcontract work to peasants to smash, smelt and extract the valuable metals-gold, copper, silver and aluminum, from electronic devices for like 50 USD per month. While the poisonous, dangerous metals like lead, chromium, zinc, HFCs and mercury seep into their ground, contaminate their land and water or burn into gases and pollute our air.

I can understand the desperate need for the peasants to support themselves, and they probably dont care. my god, the poor people are starving to death!

But Us companies and the chinese believe it is a quick solution to an overall long term problem. and i believe with that attitude it will destroy us all in the long term.

and my point is, the chinese will do just about anything to make a buck or cut a corner. these third world and semi-third world countries exchange principles for a momentary economic booster shot.

justDIY · 8th February 2008, 01:43 PM

lots of peasant class Americans were subjected to horrible working conditions for decades through our industrial revolution. Many were forced into indentured servitude by greedy corporations looking to squeeze every penny, living in cities owned by the company. "sold my soul to the company store" is just a song lyric now, but it was the truth for many people a few hundred years ago.

it's no different for China - they are making a huge change in their society and have to get through it.

ronsimpson · 8th February 2008, 02:17 PM

Working in China may not be fun by my standards but:
They are making many times what they did “in the rice fields”. It is indoors. Farm work is very dangerous. The people I talked to seem very grateful for the opportunity. Each year things will get better.

I hear people say, “stop buying from XXXX” because they only make $?/hour. In their world these are high paying jobs using skilled workers. They are lucky to make that much money! There are movie actors that make $1,000,000/month trying to shut down factories because the pay is low. What are these people going to do when they lose their “high paying” job?

I know there are bad places that should be shutdown. Generally this is a stepping-stone to a better life.

Papabravo · 8th February 2008, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justDIY

... "sold my soul to the company store" is just a song lyric now, but it was the truth for many people a few hundred years ago.
...

It is still true today. What do you call engineers and software developers working uncompensated overtime?

"Sixteen tons(or lines of code) and whadya get?
Another day older and deeper in debt."

It was a great song BTW

ronsimpson · 8th February 2008, 03:28 PM

I hired Russian programmers to write code. Good code for very little $. Don’t think you’re job can’t be out sourced. I am working for less than I did last year.

Papabravo · 8th February 2008, 03:42 PM

I think I gotcha beat. I'm working for less than I made 20 years ago. And now that you mention it all my coworkers seem to be Russians. Cue the Twilight Zone music please -- presented for your consideration.....

**3v0** · 8th February 2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronsimpson

I hired Russian programmers to write code. Good code for very little $. Don’t think you’re job can’t be out sourced. I am working for less than I did last year.

You and a hoard of other people. When I started work in the software industry it was a good job with good hours, pay, and benifits.

Now it is bad hours, good to fair pay, and shrinking benifits. There are worse jobs.

Thunderchild · 8th February 2008, 03:49 PM

well basically its because of the difference in monetary value, our penies are their pounds and obviously people in the background are making HUGE profits on both them that have a low (by our standards) salary and us who are paying more for that labour than the laborours got. the mission should not be close them factorys it should be A lets make sure they are respecting laws on being ecological and B lets tell out damned f---ing goverments to stop thinking of their PERSONAL profits (because oh yes every MP etc has his little buisines and personal interest to look after) and start aiding the creation of our own industries again. I am yet to buy an article make in the UK and most of what I buy that is made in china is cheap crap. if chinas economy was suddenly to have the sa,me value as ours we would become the poor countries and would probably start making our own stuff again with much better value for money.

and before people screem at me yes I've been on the receiving end unpacking sample orders and pulling out of packet shirts that were already falling apart before they were packed and have enough thread in them to make 1/3 a decent shirt but cause they only cost 25 pence we mugs buy them

Hero999 · 9th February 2008, 12:03 AM

This looks fake to me.

You can't see what they're making or what the press is actually doing.

quixotron · 9th February 2008, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunderchild

well basically its because of the difference in monetary value, our penies are their pounds and obviously people in the background are making HUGE profits on both them that have a low (by our standards) salary and us who are paying more for that labour than the laborours got. the mission should not be close them factorys it should be A lets make sure they are respecting laws on being ecological and B lets tell out damned f---ing goverments to stop thinking of their PERSONAL profits (because oh yes every MP etc has his little buisines and personal interest to look after) and start aiding the creation of our own industries again. I am yet to buy an article make in the UK and most of what I buy that is made in china is cheap crap. if chinas economy was suddenly to have the sa,me value as ours we would become the poor countries and would probably start making our own stuff again with much better value for money.

and before people screem at me yes I've been on the receiving end unpacking sample orders and pulling out of packet shirts that were already falling apart before they were packed and have enough thread in them to make 1/3 a decent shirt but cause they only cost 25 pence we mugs buy them

Right but you figure in this day and age, we'd be educated and disciplined enough not to repeat the mistakes of the past!!

but $$$$$ talks.

dknguyen · 9th February 2008, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quixotron

Right but you figure in this day and age, we'd be educated and disciplined enough not to repeat the mistakes of the past!!

but $$$$$ talks.

Yeah, it's too bad "this day and age" means different things depending on where you are.

Brian Hoskins · 9th February 2008, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quixotron

and my point is, the chinese will do just about anything to make a buck or cut a corner.

And what do you think we're doing when we send our rubbish over there in the first place? Making bucks and cutting corners? Yes I think so!!!

Brian

quixotron · 9th February 2008, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dknguyen

Yeah, it's too bad "this day and age" means different things depending on where you are.

Well if they were faithful to the lord, they will have the things they need to survive.

Quote:

And what do you think we're doing when we send our rubbish over there in the first place? Making bucks and cutting corners? Yes I think so!!!

ahhhh...EPA laws were instituted against that! chinese will do it anyways, destroying themselves and their neighbors!

Marks256 · 9th February 2008, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quixotron

Well if they were faithful to the lord, they will have the things they need to survive.

AHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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8th February 2008, 05:30 AM	(permalink)
Krumlink	So this is how China does it! Well I just found out how China can make their products so cheaply and fast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZrntCbVT8 Wow! Sitting inside the press? Like the comment said: OSHA would spontaneously combust. NS!!! __________________ MechTronics World of Warcraft is a disease

8th February 2008, 05:56 AM	(permalink)
quixotron	Oh yeah. The recycling, decontamination and storage of hazardous materials is so expensive, that US companies sell the garbage to chinese pirates. They then subcontract work to peasants to smash, smelt and extract the valuable metals-gold, copper, silver and aluminum, from electronic devices for like 50 USD per month. While the poisonous, dangerous metals like lead, chromium, zinc, HFCs and mercury seep into their ground, contaminate their land and water or burn into gases and pollute our air. I can understand the desperate need for the peasants to support themselves, and they probably dont care. my god, the poor people are starving to death! But Us companies and the chinese believe it is a quick solution to an overall long term problem. and i believe with that attitude it will destroy us all in the long term. and my point is, the chinese will do just about anything to make a buck or cut a corner. these third world and semi-third world countries exchange principles for a momentary economic booster shot. Last edited by quixotron; 8th February 2008 at 06:02 AM.

8th February 2008, 01:43 PM	(permalink)
justDIY	lots of peasant class Americans were subjected to horrible working conditions for decades through our industrial revolution. Many were forced into indentured servitude by greedy corporations looking to squeeze every penny, living in cities owned by the company. "sold my soul to the company store" is just a song lyric now, but it was the truth for many people a few hundred years ago. it's no different for China - they are making a huge change in their society and have to get through it. __________________ If you don't have a planet, what good are gold bars? want to contact me directly? gmail gordonthree check out my project website: http://projects.dimension-x.net Favorite numbers: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

8th February 2008, 02:17 PM	(permalink)
ronsimpson	Working in China may not be fun by my standards but: They are making many times what they did “in the rice fields”. It is indoors. Farm work is very dangerous. The people I talked to seem very grateful for the opportunity. Each year things will get better. I hear people say, “stop buying from XXXX” because they only make $?/hour. In their world these are high paying jobs using skilled workers. They are lucky to make that much money! There are movie actors that make $1,000,000/month trying to shut down factories because the pay is low. What are these people going to do when they lose their “high paying” job? I know there are bad places that should be shutdown. Generally this is a stepping-stone to a better life.

8th February 2008, 03:28 PM	(permalink)
ronsimpson	I hired Russian programmers to write code. Good code for very little $. Don’t think you’re job can’t be out sourced. I am working for less than I did last year.

8th February 2008, 03:42 PM	(permalink)
Papabravo	I think I gotcha beat. I'm working for less than I made 20 years ago. And now that you mention it all my coworkers seem to be Russians. Cue the Twilight Zone music please -- presented for your consideration..... __________________ We never have time to do it right; but we always have time to do it over. Last edited by Papabravo; 9th February 2008 at 02:18 AM.

8th February 2008, 03:49 PM	(permalink)
Thunderchild	well basically its because of the difference in monetary value, our penies are their pounds and obviously people in the background are making HUGE profits on both them that have a low (by our standards) salary and us who are paying more for that labour than the laborours got. the mission should not be close them factorys it should be A lets make sure they are respecting laws on being ecological and B lets tell out damned f---ing goverments to stop thinking of their PERSONAL profits (because oh yes every MP etc has his little buisines and personal interest to look after) and start aiding the creation of our own industries again. I am yet to buy an article make in the UK and most of what I buy that is made in china is cheap crap. if chinas economy was suddenly to have the sa,me value as ours we would become the poor countries and would probably start making our own stuff again with much better value for money. and before people screem at me yes I've been on the receiving end unpacking sample orders and pulling out of packet shirts that were already falling apart before they were packed and have enough thread in them to make 1/3 a decent shirt but cause they only cost 25 pence we mugs buy them __________________ I AM the exeption that disproves the rule in many ways but the rules still apply (unfortunately) my site:www.simons-photography.com http://rushdenrotaract.org.uk see also http://www.bigstockphoto.com/account...fid=m2URATYch5 http://www.redbubble.com/people/simonsphotography

9th February 2008, 12:03 AM	(permalink)
Hero999	This looks fake to me. You can't see what they're making or what the press is actually doing. __________________ I also post at the following sites: http://www.stop-microsoft.org http://www.heated-debates.com Screen name: Aloone_Jonez