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Old 1st February 2008, 09:48 AM   (permalink)
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[edit] is the Alternate version the server addition???
Nope. When I went to it just now it offered me desktop-i386.


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Old 1st February 2008, 09:48 AM   (permalink)
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No problem. Good news on the RAM, too--I never believed it was so important until I tried more and realized I almost never heard the hard drive anymore (compared to back in the 256 MB days).

Good luck! Post if you hit a speedbump, or if you succeed wildly.


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sorry to post again but i wasnt sure if you seen my edit in the last post, is the Alternate linux you were talking about the server addition???
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Old 1st February 2008, 10:17 AM   (permalink)
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Nope. When I went to it just now it offered me desktop-i386.


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isn't that the one i already have???

i had a look at the link and there is 2 options, desktop and server addition?
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Old 1st February 2008, 10:56 AM   (permalink)
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[edit] is the Alternate version the server addition???
Nope.


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Old 4th February 2008, 08:26 AM   (permalink)
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well after trying to use ubuntu linux on my pc and failing, i tried zenwalk live 4.8 and everything is fine,

But does anyone know how to connect to the net? it doesn't seem to want to work, i dont know if i have to set anything up or if it just should work, i have a LAN and a WLAN Connection does it work for both?

is there anyone that knows how i can get this to work?
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Old 4th February 2008, 05:02 PM   (permalink)
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Good you got it working.

I don't know, I have a cable modem connected to my PC with ethernet cable and it just works which is more than can be said for Windows which required a CD from my ISP.

One thing you'll find about Linux is that it's highly variable and this is both good and bad. It's good because it gives you lots of choice but bad because there's too much choice.
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Old 4th February 2008, 05:29 PM   (permalink)
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I don't know, I have a cable modem connected to my PC with ethernet cable and it just works which is more than can be said for Windows which required a CD from my ISP.
You appear to be confused?, plug an ethernet cable from a Windows PC into a router (cable or ADSL) and it works - no need for any CD's.

The CD from your ISP was to run a setup program to allow you to easily set your router up, and to brand your browser and email program with the ISP's name.

It had nothing to do with the internet connection, no different to Linux or a MAC.
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Old 4th February 2008, 10:59 PM   (permalink)
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Well i still dont know what to do?

i cant work out how to get the internet and my keyboard is all over the place,when i press a it might be 6 and if i press f it might be y and so on, i have a loptop, is there setting for this?
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Old 5th February 2008, 04:36 AM   (permalink)
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if you get to the point of wanting to install an os to your laptop hard drive, make sure you know what your doing first [no offence intended] i think you mentioned it is an acer aspire, acer laptops have a hidden recovery partition on the hard drive BEFORE the boot [c:\] partition. i recently recovered a vista installation on an aspire and it was a pig because an 'expert' had reinstalled vista over the existing installation, corupting acer's proprietary MBR. if this sounds like gibberish, do a bit of research before you install to hard disk.
after that, good luck. i think it's a worthwhile experiment that i intend to try again time permitting [ha!]
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Old 5th February 2008, 05:20 AM   (permalink)
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well at the moment i just want to get the live cd working with the internet and keyboard, i would like to put it on a usb drive when i know the internet can work.
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Old 5th February 2008, 08:09 AM   (permalink)
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well its up good start
next is more todo with how you are connecting to the internet

1) dialup winmodem? good luck, FAKEmodem driver dependent POS
2) dialup real modem alot simpler ppp is what is needed
3) broadband via USB, its getting better and more distro's shipping with the drivers
4) broadband via NIC/RJ45 WINNNAR!!!!! simple

Assuming it is broadband (USB or NIC) the key here is seeing if
1) yr network card has been detected
2) is it picking up an IP

quickest way to find out is to execute the command

Code:
jrb@Fluid ~ $ /sbin/ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:16:17:99:C9:2C  
          inet addr:192.168.0.3  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::216:17ff:fe99:c92c/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:7368 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:7454 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
          RX bytes:4338216 (4.1 Mb)  TX bytes:1370093 (1.3 Mb)
          Base address:0xbf00 Memory:fdee0000-fdf00000 

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
          RX packets:70 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:70 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
          RX bytes:10024 (9.7 Kb)  TX bytes:10024 (9.7 Kb)
you will have lo (it is internal loopback device, needed), the question is whether you have eth0,... or another device
This output shows my eth0 device configured for net access. IF you don't have that try

Code:
/sbin/ifconfig -a
this will get ifconfig to displace all network devices (configured or not). This will then allow us to see whether it is higher-level networking issue (ie dhcp) or low-level drivers (ie has your network card been detected)

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Old 5th February 2008, 09:48 AM   (permalink)
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if you get to the point of wanting to install an os to your laptop hard drive, make sure you know what your doing first [no offence intended]
So very true.

With all the excitement of the new Ubuntu release, I went and try it out. Thing went smoothly with the Live CD and I go ahead and press "install to HD". Needless to say the installation went ahead uneventfully and trashed my bootloader in my MBR and installed GRUB bootloader instead. I was not given a chance to make any decision. When I reboot, the GRUB bootloader take over.

How come the designer had detected other OS on my harddisk partitions but decided that GRUB is more to my liking than my existing bootloader? Perhaps I would like LILO other than GRUB?

Tough, to install LILO, I had to throw away my existing 700MB desktop iso download and get the alternative iso which I then have to install in TEXT mode. All these is the lacking of a simple user consideration of a simple question during installation.

After installation, there are a lot of things to sort out.

Gnome has "hugh" icons on toolbar with plenty of space both on top and below the icon. Very good for people with 20/20 vision. Perhaps most people using Linux have twin 21" LCD monitors desktop but not I am. I tried to make it smaller and more compact but I can't. It came as standard.

Then I tried to select a red mouse pointer, so far so good. However, it comes with a shadow which is supposed to be cool to somebody. I never understand what a mouse shadow can achieve. In Windows I was given an option to do away with the shadow but I can't in Gnome. It come as standard.

The fonts are fuzzy displaying webpages from foreign locale and I need to tweak the font.conf file to get them display properly. I can't login as root and had to "Sudo" my every step in modifying any file on the system. This is just plain crazy.

I can't view Youtube on my browser because the flashplayer install plugin says my "X86_64" not supported. I tried an one day old DEB package which is suppose to take care of it but the installation wizard told me there are newer versions so I abort the installation, for now.

I can't transfer my email accounts and addresses from Outlook Express into "Evolution", the standard email installation of Ubuntu. What good is an email program if it cannot help users to migrate from an existing MS program.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Linux is bad. All these tweaking is great fun, if one has the time and trouble to tackle them, one by one.
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Old 5th February 2008, 10:30 AM   (permalink)
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You appear to be confused?, plug an ethernet cable from a Windows PC into a router (cable or ADSL) and it works - no need for any CD's.
I'm not confused at all.

Windows would not allow me to connect to the Internet until I used my IP's CD. I kept getting the annoying Internet connection wizard everytime I tried to connect. There probably is a way to do it without my IP's CD but I wasn't going to waste my time messing around with it.

Under Linux the Internet just worked, even my router didn't need setting up.
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Old 5th February 2008, 11:49 AM   (permalink)
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well its up good start
next is more todo with how you are connecting to the internet

1) dialup winmodem? good luck, FAKEmodem driver dependent POS
2) dialup real modem alot simpler ppp is what is needed
3) broadband via USB, its getting better and more distro's shipping with the drivers
4) broadband via NIC/RJ45 WINNNAR!!!!! simple

Assuming it is broadband (USB or NIC) the key here is seeing if
1) yr network card has been detected
2) is it picking up an IP

quickest way to find out is to execute the command

Code:
jrb@Fluid ~ $ /sbin/ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:16:17:99:C9:2C  
          inet addr:192.168.0.3  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::216:17ff:fe99:c92c/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:7368 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:7454 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
          RX bytes:4338216 (4.1 Mb)  TX bytes:1370093 (1.3 Mb)
          Base address:0xbf00 Memory:fdee0000-fdf00000 

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
          RX packets:70 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:70 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
          RX bytes:10024 (9.7 Kb)  TX bytes:10024 (9.7 Kb)
you will have lo (it is internal loopback device, needed), the question is whether you have eth0,... or another device
This output shows my eth0 device configured for net access. IF you don't have that try

Code:
/sbin/ifconfig -a
this will get ifconfig to displace all network devices (configured or not). This will then allow us to see whether it is higher-level networking issue (ie dhcp) or low-level drivers (ie has your network card been detected)

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How and where do i put that code??? and yes i have broardband, i can run both LAN and WLAN of my computer, but nothing on zenwalk linux.
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Last edited by shaneshane1; 5th February 2008 at 11:52 AM.
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Old 5th February 2008, 01:00 PM   (permalink)
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you need to open a terminal/command window
should be one in the zenwalk menu

just paste/copy the /sbin/ifconfig into that and copp that into a txt file. insert USB stick and copy the file to said stick and load said file in a machine with internet access and post here
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