My #0 Phillips Screwdrivers are different sizes... - Electronic Circuits Projects Diagrams Free

dknguyen · 14th July 2006, 03:04 AM

Im staring here at two #0 screwdriver from two sets bought in North America, and third #0 phillips driver from Germany...and the #0 from Germany has a tip that looks to be the same size as the #1 tip from the North American sets....????

**Nigel Goodwin** · 14th July 2006, 08:57 AM

Are you confusing Philips and Posidrive?.

dknguyen · 14th July 2006, 01:23 PM

Don't think so, because I know these German ones are Phillips. The only way that would happen is if all the cross-head jeweler sized drivers I have just all happen to be Pozi-Drive.

HiTech · 14th July 2006, 03:15 PM

sounds odd... not much purpose in numbering them if they're going to be different sizes then, right? That's like stamping a 10mm socket with 3 different values yet it still measures 10mm..... or three 10mm stamped sockets that have various internal dimensions!!!

gerty · 14th July 2006, 06:07 PM

There's also a 'Reed Prince' that looks like a phillips..

zevon8 · 16th July 2006, 05:09 PM

It may be a JIS standard ( Japanese ) driver. They are slightly larger, and blunter , not actually a philips, but a similar cross-drive design. Actually a better one BTW, if you have the right tools for them.

Doing service work on Japanese electronics, mechanical parts, etc, you really need the JIS drivers unless you want to ruin the recess on the fastener.

HarveyH42 · 16th July 2006, 09:52 PM

Bought in the USA, doesn't mean manufactured in the USA. We tend to import a bunch of crap tools and such... For me, I figure as long as it gets the job done.

**mechie** · 17th July 2006, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dknguyen

...and the #0 from Germany has a tip that looks to be the same size as the #1 tip from the North American sets....????

Is it possible that America has done it again ? ...
miles are different
gallons are different
wire gauge is different (SWG versus AWG)
a size 10 dress is different (not that I still wear them - honest !)
football is different
English is different
rounders is the same but you call it baseball ?

just teasing ...

dknguyen · 20th July 2006, 02:38 AM

I'm in Canada so no offense taken

. I prefer km and litres to miles and gallons...I kinda hate the wire gauge thing too as well as screw sizes, bleck. Go metric!

But, yeah, Wiha told me they made their drivers to phillips standard.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 20th July 2006, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dknguyen

I'm in Canada so no offense taken

. I prefer km and litres to miles and gallons...I kinda hate the wire gauge thing too as well as screw sizes, bleck. Go metric!

But, yeah, Wiha told me they made their drivers to phillips standard.

Philips screws seem very rare these days, and have been for years, generally crosshead screws are Posidriv rather than Philips.

A Posidriv screwdriver is much squarer ended than a Philips, and a 0 point Posidrive is considerably larger than a 0 point Philips - it still sounds to me that you're confusing the two?.

HiTech · 20th July 2006, 01:43 PM

Phillips screws may be very rare in your shires but here in the states they abound by the bazillions! The butterfly and Torx heads seem popular in the auto industry these days. Anymore, an American automotive mechanic needs a full complement of tools to interface slotted, Phillips, Torx, Butterfly, Square-drive and of course, hex head. That can add up to a costly set of tools and one large-azz chest to store them in.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 20th July 2006, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiTech

Phillips screws may be very rare in your shires but here in the states they abound by the bazillions! The butterfly and Torx heads seem popular in the auto industry these days. Anymore, an American automotive mechanic needs a full complement of tools to interface slotted, Phillips, Torx, Butterfly, Square-drive and of course, hex head. That can add up to a costly set of tools and one large-azz chest to store them in.

You don't mention Posidriv in that list?, are you confusing Posidriv and Philips? - Posidriv pretty well replaced Philips a couple of decades ago.

dknguyen · 20th July 2006, 06:42 PM

Hmmm...I don't think I've ever seen a pozi-drive screw or driver unless which I was looking for one (which I never have).

Pozi-drives screws have cross etchings around the slot right? I've never seen those on any screw I've had. Unless you are implying that every screwdriver and/or screw around me is Pozi-drive without me knowing it.

I believe you can interchange either pozi-drive or phillips drivers with the other kinds of screws, but it's one way only...I forget which driver is interchangeable with which screw.

How can you identify a pozi-drive driver from a phillips driver? And how do you differentiate screws? I believe pozi-drive has some extra ethings or markings around the slot while phillips has none.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 20th July 2006, 07:07 PM

Neither fit each other very well, Philips were mainly used in the 70's and 80's, then Posidriv took over - easy to tell from the screwdrivers, Philips have a fairly sharp point, and Posidriv have a fairly flattened point.

Interesting webpage at http://www.theautoist.com/posidrives.htm which give the impression that the USA lagged behind again, and perhaps continued to use Philips screws? - Philips themselves actually switched to Torx, probably because Posidriv won the cross-head battle?.

HiTech · 20th July 2006, 08:17 PM

We have Posidrive too but Phillips is still very popular here.... perhaps because Chinese goods are loaded with them and we import more goods from them than all the grains of sand on all of the world's beaches!!

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14th July 2006, 03:04 AM	(permalink)
dknguyen	My #0 Phillips Screwdrivers are different sizes... Im staring here at two #0 screwdriver from two sets bought in North America, and third #0 phillips driver from Germany...and the #0 from Germany has a tip that looks to be the same size as the #1 tip from the North American sets....????

14th July 2006, 08:57 AM	(permalink)
Nigel Goodwin	Are you confusing Philips and Posidrive?. __________________ PIC programmer software, and PIC Tutorials at: http://www.winpicprog.co.uk

14th July 2006, 01:23 PM	(permalink)
dknguyen	Don't think so, because I know these German ones are Phillips. The only way that would happen is if all the cross-head jeweler sized drivers I have just all happen to be Pozi-Drive.

14th July 2006, 03:15 PM	(permalink)
HiTech	sounds odd... not much purpose in numbering them if they're going to be different sizes then, right? That's like stamping a 10mm socket with 3 different values yet it still measures 10mm..... or three 10mm stamped sockets that have various internal dimensions!!! __________________ Don't make me reach through this monitor to slap you a good one!

14th July 2006, 06:07 PM	(permalink)
gerty	There's also a 'Reed Prince' that looks like a phillips.. __________________ gerty

16th July 2006, 05:09 PM	(permalink)
zevon8	It may be a JIS standard ( Japanese ) driver. They are slightly larger, and blunter , not actually a philips, but a similar cross-drive design. Actually a better one BTW, if you have the right tools for them. Doing service work on Japanese electronics, mechanical parts, etc, you really need the JIS drivers unless you want to ruin the recess on the fastener.

16th July 2006, 09:52 PM	(permalink)
HarveyH42	Bought in the USA, doesn't mean manufactured in the USA. We tend to import a bunch of crap tools and such... For me, I figure as long as it gets the job done.

20th July 2006, 02:38 AM	(permalink)
dknguyen	I'm in Canada so no offense taken . I prefer km and litres to miles and gallons...I kinda hate the wire gauge thing too as well as screw sizes, bleck. Go metric! But, yeah, Wiha told me they made their drivers to phillips standard.

20th July 2006, 01:43 PM	(permalink)
HiTech	Phillips screws may be very rare in your shires but here in the states they abound by the bazillions! The butterfly and Torx heads seem popular in the auto industry these days. Anymore, an American automotive mechanic needs a full complement of tools to interface slotted, Phillips, Torx, Butterfly, Square-drive and of course, hex head. That can add up to a costly set of tools and one large-azz chest to store them in. __________________ Don't make me reach through this monitor to slap you a good one!

20th July 2006, 06:42 PM	(permalink)
dknguyen	Hmmm...I don't think I've ever seen a pozi-drive screw or driver unless which I was looking for one (which I never have). Pozi-drives screws have cross etchings around the slot right? I've never seen those on any screw I've had. Unless you are implying that every screwdriver and/or screw around me is Pozi-drive without me knowing it. I believe you can interchange either pozi-drive or phillips drivers with the other kinds of screws, but it's one way only...I forget which driver is interchangeable with which screw. How can you identify a pozi-drive driver from a phillips driver? And how do you differentiate screws? I believe pozi-drive has some extra ethings or markings around the slot while phillips has none. Last edited by dknguyen; 20th July 2006 at 06:50 PM.

20th July 2006, 07:07 PM	(permalink)
Nigel Goodwin	Neither fit each other very well, Philips were mainly used in the 70's and 80's, then Posidriv took over - easy to tell from the screwdrivers, Philips have a fairly sharp point, and Posidriv have a fairly flattened point. Interesting webpage at http://www.theautoist.com/posidrives.htm which give the impression that the USA lagged behind again, and perhaps continued to use Philips screws? - Philips themselves actually switched to Torx, probably because Posidriv won the cross-head battle?. __________________ PIC programmer software, and PIC Tutorials at: http://www.winpicprog.co.uk

20th July 2006, 08:17 PM	(permalink)
HiTech	We have Posidrive too but Phillips is still very popular here.... perhaps because Chinese goods are loaded with them and we import more goods from them than all the grains of sand on all of the world's beaches!! __________________ Don't make me reach through this monitor to slap you a good one!