hyedenny

Its always interesting to watch people who have failed in the past encourage other people to fail. Im sure the pathology there is fascinating. It must be like comfort in a crowd.

Stick with it, youre almost there. You wouldnt be the first successful person who had less than ideal grades in college. When you look back, it will seem much easier than it does now. Other than the random (mis)use of question marks, I never wouldve thought the N-Man and Mistakeca would have anything in common! ...Talk about a bad attitude!!!

gerty

Like they told us in boot camp "Pain is temporary, being a Marine is forever"
You're almost there, quit now and regret forever !!

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hm basically it's about having that damn peice of paper. don't know what it's like where you are and i only did high school but here thats all it's about as nobody does anything with their paper. so why the hell were they thee in the first place ????????
unfortunately i was not good at looking good for the teachers although i did come out 3rd in class. i was more for getting down to it.

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Does'nt mean it should happen here :roll:

DigiTan

Sorry for the choice of words, but the whole thing is more frustrating than anything I can remember. In fact I used never curse until last semester. I was told if you're polite and behave a certain way, you'll be rewarded but now I know that's a load of crap.

Anyway, its all over so I'm just trying to think about it as little as possible. If it weren't for freerunning my blood pressure would be in the 300's after all I put up with. Every day I can go to bed without wanting to explode or beat the living crap out of everybody is an okay one by me. Of course, now I have to look for a summer job and get turned away by jackasses all day. There are some things you don't get used to. :evil:

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docel

Digitan,
I went through your projects....impressive! You wont die of hunger or need. Now, with THAT kind of background, you will do good in life. But there is always a better life to live. That, unfortunately, has a catch. You have to grin and bear it.
Remember, you can travel in many ways and eat at many places. But there is a difference. Call that Class, Level..... whatever.
To reach that you need patience, perseverence, callousness and .......THAT piece of Paper!!!
Forget the unbearables; just Go and GET IT!!

We all wish you success and The best Luck!

Hero999

The problem most people have with electronics (I'm talking about the higher level stuff here, i.e. not just ohm's law) is the mathematics, you have to study things like Maxwell's equations and Laplace's equation so you can be the best project builder in the world and have a strong enough understanding electronic principles to design circuits, but this doesn't mean you're clever enough to pass a degree, not at least without putting a great deal of time and hard work into it anyway.

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jrz126

The math is definitly a killer. Depending on how far you are in your education, you might want to consider getting a pretty decent calculator. I picked up one of these a couple years ago: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg , probably the best purchase I ever made. Its kinda difficult to use it for the higher level math, but its a real time saver for the simultanious equations and such.
Not to mention the full qwerty keyboard

Also, try to get your hands on some old tests from other students that have had the class before...even if the prof. changes the questions, you'll still have a good idea of what to expect.

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mstechca

Digitan, I have to agree with some guys here when they ask you to calm down. I think your reaction is well over the top. Also the poster that bolded "dont do it" also applies to killing yourself.

As for me, I am what is called an "exception" (I made that up :lol: ). Why? because right now, I'm NOT in school, but instead working a fair amount of hours, and making money. Unfortunately, it isn't my preferred field, but compared to the temporary jobs I had in the past, the one now is good.

Also, I live in a low income family. My family depends on me to bring in sufficient funds to help cover necessary expenses. (mainly food and bills)
If my income at any time is too low, my entire family suffers. when we suffer, we are talking like a fridge that is less than 1/8th full!

So to me, going to college is more like spending $10,000 at a casino and losing it all in one day.

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bryan1

Hiya Digitan,
Well mate from your last post it looks like you made the decision and quit . I must admit you do have a great mind for electronics . Now if I may offer a suggestion for an alternate career over here in Oz coded welders are in high demand and command top dollars, this would mean going back to tafe (college) and doing a course. So if your a hands on type of bloke this could be an avenue to take. I once was told that if I went over to Texas and worked on a road where the oil refineries are and did shutdowns for 5 years I'd become a millionaire and I wouldn't reach the end of the road.

anyway this is just a suggestion as I don't know what sort of wages a coded welder would get over in your area but getting a trade behind you would be a bonus for life.

Cheers Bryan

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mstechca

It looks like there are three options.

1. Go to school, get a piece of paper (diploma).
2. Start your own business, be successful at it.
3. Go to a production site and work there.

HOWEVER, There are disadvantages in ALL THREE!

If you chose #1, you will have to ensure that you are able to meet living expenses while you go to school. The chances of getting a decent pay from a part time job (if you can get one) while you are at school are low.
If you are lucky, you might be able to get a diploma, just from studying online. Also, a JOB is not guaranteed. Once you have the diploma, you still have to find a job and showcase yourself in an interview. The odds of getting a job are greater.

If you chose #2, you will have to determine a title, and be able to know it well. You must know it so well, that you can answer ANY question your customer(s) have that are related to your business. Also, you may need to invest some money to buy whatever is needed to keep it going. The disadvantage here is that your knowledge, location, reputation, # of shoppers (your customers that actually buy something), and the price all determine how much money you will make.

Digitan, you will need to cool down before you even think about picking option #2.

If you choose option #3, then most of your free time is used up. Also your body will become sore after awhile, especially if you are continuously moving heavy objects. Most of the jobs are full-time, and a bell will determine when breaks start and end.

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Hero999

You could also consider going for a job as an electrical test technician, did you gain any qualifications at college?

You only need an HNC for most technician posts and they can often be less stressful than design where there's always the worry of the customer comming back if they've found problems with your work.

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DigiTan

Yeah, I'm trying to get an assembly/test job for the summer through my temp agency. Incidentally, I've been sort on money all year, which probably added to the stress. I guess you can say I've been having a mid-mid life crisis. All semester I've been looking back on life trying to figure out what I could've done to fix this kind of thing. Stress I can handle, but not if there's no benefit to it, that's just crazy.

@ Hero999: Yeah, Maxwell's and all the vector calculus gave me a lot of trouble this semester. I was doing Emag 1 year after the vector calc class and forgot all the rules to it. By the time I got caught up, I'd already nuked my first exam. I had to start skipping lectures just to finish the homeworks.

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mstechca

That was me 5 years ago, except I was looking for any job back then.

As long as you have A job, that is what matters. Someone working in a food factory for the rest of their life will be financially set, but may suffer physical body pain from repetitive movement day after day.

I'm in a middle of a crisis as well. I'll tell you a story. First of all, when I was born (23 years ago), I would have thought that I lived with a 1/2 way decent full family. BUT, my father left us and moved to a near-by town. My older brother and I could see him only on weekends for 10 years. After that time, I never saw him again.

Now here's the killer: My father has NOT paid any child support for over 10 years. A lawyer representing my mom took him to court for child support, and the JUDGE (idiot!) has allowed him to get away with not making ANY child support payments. I wonder if it is because the judge thinks people over 18 don't get anything no matter how outstanding it is.

But I'm not done yet. I have a brother who has autism (in simple terms, a disability). 1/2 the time, he causes stress to the immediate family (My mom, my brother and myself) simply by repeating the same stuff over and over again, and making weird noises week after week.

Digitan, tell me your stresses (other than financial).

Have you made a resume and a cover letter?
Have you applied to ANY job?

Here's the kicker about me. when I was looking for a job, I wanted ANYTHING that pays a cent, and doesn't kill me. This knocks factory jobs out of the window. I found a job fair in my area for a supermarket, applied and got in.
When I was interviewed, I had to select three positions of my choice. The problem with the three positions is that I knew absolutely NOTHING about any single one of them. So I made my self open and had them select one for me. But I put down 3 that I can do anyways.
When I got the call, my position seemed so funny at first, but now, it is paying my rent and some of my loan off. Yes, I'm the BUGGY GUY!

So far, if my schedule remains fixed at work (which it has been for almost a year), I could end up making a night-time business!

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BeeBop

Well I was about to jump into this, just after docel, who's observations I couldn't agree with more; DigiTan, you have a very impressive portfolio! Your confidence seems low, in light of that. Sounds like your school works on the model 'kick them hard, and if they get back up, kick them some more. If they survive, they are good to go.'

Digi and Mstechca, you guys are way too young to be in mid-life crisis. You are both in your 20's? You have lots of time to recover, and make a good outcome. It is when you get to 50, or so, and realize that there is no possible way to achieve your goals, there is a crisis.

Mstechca, you can waste time, and your life, working for poverty wages. (I know, I've been there far too long myself.) If someone is willing to treat you well, they are also willing to pay you well.

Part of the 'human condition' is that we are constantly dealing with issues which can make us angry. If we don't, or can't, come to terms with that anger, it colors everything in our lives.

I had a situation similar to DigiTan, while in University. My problems mostly came from the department chair. Some of my colleagues could also see how vile and corrupt he was, but the department saw him as a hero, because of the funding he was able to generate. He moved to another institute, where he became president. There, he was FIRED for corruption. (Yea Karma!) Still, the adverse effects of his influence give me something to deal with. I could focus on that, and be a cripple for the rest of my life, or choose to get on with other things. (Hopefully I've done the latter, but sometimes I wonder.)

Now I'm facing returning to Canada, after five or so years abroad. I have fear to deal with. Like you, mstechca, my own country has only ever offered poverty. Employers who ask for several years 'experience,' and are only offering poverty wages. As for the global myth of 'experience,' do not some profit more than others, given the same experience? Also, it seems that 'Human Resource Managers' lack the intelligence to make decisions, and are only willing to sign off on some one else's authority. (Previous employers' testimony, or that of an educational institute.) I once tried to apply for work soldering circuit boards, but was rejected before any interview, because I didn't have a degree in EE. God, if the only job I could get with an EE was that, I think I'd buy a farm!

Given my mistrust of authority figures, I think only option 2, sounds viable for me, but even this late in life, I'm considering option 1. Go back to school, and get an EE. The fact that I haven't done serious math for about 20 years, makes me question that idea. If all else fails, I could end up back in Asia, which is not so bad - I bet the malls of component suppliers here would make your eyes pop out - It did that to me, at first!

Anyway, DigiTan, good luck with the summer job, I hope you get a good one. Having a good stash of cash should make your next year so much better. I forget, is next year your final? I didn't mean to go off in left field, but rather let you know, that you are a very bright and talented young man. Keep building your portfolio, and get through that degree, you will prevail!

Regards,
Robert