Any one looked at Gm fuel-cel car
I think there headed in the right way I been playing with this Ideal to.
I was thinking of battery powered DC motors
Hydrogen powered generator
I would like to see your ideals
Burt
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What would be your source of hydrogen?
Typically it's natural gas or propane that is run through a converter in real time. I've seen some put an actual hydrogen tank on them.
This company has been one of the leaders in hydrogen fuel cells for well over a decade now. Just been having trouble getting people to adopt them, and trying to fight all the frivolous lawsuits being brought against them by oil companies.
Hydrogen Fuel Cell Technology, Hydrogen Power in Buses | Ballard Power
Another huge use of these is in Japan. They are small, and produce enough heat for electricity for a small apartment/house. Put a natural gas converter in front of it and you have a constant flow of hydrogen with very little waste.
Waou... less than 10 messages and it's already conspiracy time.
As for Japan... No... just not at all... or come here to show me. I'd be happy to be shown wrong.
I know, saying "in japan they..." is the usual thread winner with the undefeated barrier language making any kind of verification impossible. Japan is excessively loud mouthed aboot environnement. But do really little. They are at least 30 to 40 years behind for energy management in the house. (isolation is still unknown science). And everytime they start doing something in the good direction -with the 40 years lag i mean- they brag aboot being on top and how everybody should copy them. They are awefull in the research dept. They are good for copy and production optimisation. Then hopefully we have the chinese to bring the cost down.
Simple google search got too many hits to post. Here's one stating Ballard was pulling out of the Japanese co-generation market.
2009-06-03 Fortnightly Newsletter - Fuel Cell Today
If you were to read all of the press releases from Ballard in the 90s, there were plenty about patent lawsuits being brought up by the oil companies.
I don't make shit up, although I am wrong at times. This is not one of those times. To state something is a certain way without knowing is ignorance. To state something is a certain way by proving it is diligence.
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When the fuel cell vehicles can pull a 12000# trailer at interstate speeds for 300 - 400 miles between fills and be filled in 10 minutes or lees at a common station then I will be interested in the technology.
Until then runty clown cars that have the same or less lifetime costs per mile equivalents to a properly designed and built standard vehicle that costs half as much doesn't appeal to me one bit.
When the size and power is there and the cost outlay for a life expectancy of 15 -20 years while traveling some 200 - 250 thousand miles works out to be cheaper than a standard vehicle of equal comparison thats when I will take far more serious interests!
Sorry but they just dont fit my life at this point. I am sticking with my 4+ ton propane burner for now.
"When in doubt, LIGHT IT ON FIRE AND SEE WHAT COLOR OF SMOKE IT CAN MAKE!" -- tcmtech
What ever happened to propane cars? A fair amount of (stinky exhaust) taxis had them here in Toronto several years ago. All gone now.
There were a number of gas powered conversions in the UK, you had to have the car modified and a gas tank fitted, as well as the original petrol tank. A number of petrol stations also had gas pumps, and it was considerably cheaper to run on gas.
Just did a quick google - it's called LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas) - and there are still a number of vehicles available either built with it, and conversions available.
I just ran my car through this site The Greenfuel Company - About LPG - LPG - The Established Alternative Fuel and it claims it would save me £478 per year on fuel costs.
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Problem with LPG is what happens when you run out of gas?
Can't use a Jerrycan as it's non pressurized.
Diesel-electric pulls hundred's of tons Power is not the thing to worry about.
What I been looking for is how much power a hydrogen fueled generator can put out.
I found this not really any thing I didn't no I'll quote it any ways
See i'm thinking of recharging and for uphill power when needed and making my own fuel.Most propane powered generators can utilize hydrogen as a fuel with minor carburetor modifications.
Hydrogen gas requires leaner fuel mixtures
and bypassing the regulator since hydrogen is usually stored at very low pressures (1 to 8 PSI)
Only qualified mechanic should attempt this!!!
Tmc I don't need to pull 6 tons 300miles would be nice most of my work is done with my brain so all my car needs to haul is 300 pounds of me and 1ton of car lol
Burt
Thats what they put the gas gages in the dash for. To let you know when you need to get more fuel.Problem with LPG is what happens when you run out of gas?
Can't use a Jerrycan as it's non pressurized.
How often do you run out of fuel any way. The last time I did was many years ago when a fuel line split and dumped the last off my fuel on the way to town.
Modern dual fuel systems typically have the propane tank gauge wired into the dash so when you switch from one fuel to the other the gauge reads the right tank.
And a 20# propane cylinder and a hose with the right fittings make a nice 5 gallon propane Jerry can!
Also propane does not just run out like gasoline does. When the liquid is used up you still have the tank full of pressurized vapor. When you do run out of liquid the engine will loose power at first and simply bog when the peddle is stepped on. You will just keep loosing power as the vapor pressure drops. When the first bog occurs and with a conservative driving approach I can get 15+ miles more out of my vapor alone. Or I just flip the switch and run on gasoline then.
The propane exhaust smell comes from poorly tuned or weak engines with low compression. The early emissions compliant engines from the late 70's to the late 80's had low compression and mild cam profiles that contributed to incomplete combustion of the propane and thats why they had the strong smell.
Any modern engine that is properly tuned and set up propane or dual fuel vehicle has no different exhaust smell than gasoline and even less than typical diesels if everything is working properly.
Non of the three pickups I have ran on propane had any exhaust smell once tuned properly.
"When in doubt, LIGHT IT ON FIRE AND SEE WHAT COLOR OF SMOKE IT CAN MAKE!" -- tcmtech
I thought the bad exhaust smell was from the smelly stuff (forget what it is) they put in propane so you can smell it?
Forklifts were the only things I've driven which ran on propane. I doubt I could get to town and back with one of those. :P
The smelly stuff is Ethyl Mircaptane. It takes higher combustion pressures to properly burn it to the point it looses its smell in an engine application. Pure propane has no smell same as pure hydrogen and pure natural gas.
"When in doubt, LIGHT IT ON FIRE AND SEE WHAT COLOR OF SMOKE IT CAN MAKE!" -- tcmtech
No that not what makes a stink it's ethyl mercaptan leave the E off
Burt
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