2V & 60A reqd from car? - Electronic Circuits Projects Diagrams Free

Elliven · 28th January 2009, 12:19 PM

Hi guys

I am new here, (Hi!) far from an electronics fundi, and in need of advice!

I would like to a car's electrical system, as input, to get an output of between 1.4 & 2 Volts and around 60 Amps.

One option would be to rewind the stator of an alternator and regulat volage via the regulator somehow, but this solution is a little far from plug and play.

I then went in search of buck regulators that might be used for this:

How does a buck regulator work? - Ask Charlie - Blog on Control Engineering
http://designtools.analog.com/dtPowe...fA%3D%3D%22%7D
Linear Technology - LTM4605 - High Efï¬ciency Buck-Boost DC/DC ÂµModule LTM4605 LTM4605EV#PBF LTM4605IV#PBF
MIC2159 SYNCHRONOUS-itty™ Step-Down Converter IC
2 or 3 of these in parallel will work!
Micrel's Switching Regulators

So far it seems that buck regulators are suited to low amperage output by the very nature of their design.
If anyone has any ideas or input, it would be greatly apreciated.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 28th January 2009, 01:42 PM

It's unlikely that there's a cheap or simple option - switch-mode of some kind is the only way.

However, I suspect this is probably for some kind of hydrogen generating scheme, and is completely pointless as they don't work.

blueroomelectronics · 28th January 2009, 02:01 PM

PS Generating HHO requires 2.5x the power it will produce.

picbits · 28th January 2009, 02:22 PM

As above.

The only time I've ever seen something needing that low a voltage and a reasonable current (still less than 10A though) was on a Lambda Oxygen sensor that required preheating so I assume you're after generating oxygen with that high a current.

Pommie · 28th January 2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueroomelectronics

PS Generating HHO requires 2.5x the power it will produce.

Only if the HHO generator is 100% efficient.

Mike.

audioguru · 28th January 2009, 04:23 PM

He is adding HHO to a gasoline engine to fool the ECM into making the mixture too lean so the engine burns its valves and pistons. Then less gasoline is burned.
But the nitrogen pollutant will be way too high.

Elliven · 29th January 2009, 03:36 PM

Yes; It is for a HHO generator.
Which means that it's going to be almost impossible to stick to the subject, get some help, and avoid an arguefight.

"ROUND # 1!"

Imagine that you had come up with an idea for using the wasted energy from an inefficient engine to produce hydrogen, rather than the obvious.

Imagine that you needed a nutter electrolysis cell to test required ignition and fueling changes as you only had one car and needed it to get to work!

Imagine that you did not have to tell the whole world the above and thus stood a tiny chance of making living out of your idea, with time to come up with other good ideas!

Your turn.

blueroomelectronics · 29th January 2009, 04:08 PM

Do you want real answers based on real science or wishful thinking? How will an inefficient process improve an inefficient motor?
There is a site called overunity.com which has lots of HHO people all beating the same dead horse.
Here's proof it doesn't work, well worth a read.
Scientific proof debunking the "run your car on water" scams

Hero999 · 29th January 2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliven

Imagine that you had come up with an idea for using the wasted energy from an inefficient engine to produce hydrogen, rather than the obvious.

That would be fine but you're not using the wasted energy, you're using useful energy from the alternator which will be wasted in making HHO.

If you used an electrothermal generator to generate the electricity to produce HHO then you might actually make a small fuel saving but I doubt it would be worth it.

blueroomelectronics · 29th January 2009, 06:34 PM

PS is fundi a South African word for "expert in a particular field"

duffy · 29th January 2009, 07:15 PM

In the US it means "Bible-thumper". Religious fundamentalism and belief in overunity schemes seem to go hand-in-hand.

Hero999 · 29th January 2009, 08:43 PM

Bible basher is the term we often use for zealots in the UK.

blueroomelectronics · 29th January 2009, 08:51 PM

Remember there are no experts in the overunity field.

duffy · 29th January 2009, 09:21 PM

Is a Bible Basher different from a God Botherer?

Hero999 · 29th January 2009, 09:22 PM

They there are, they're expert con-artists, liars and thieves.

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28th January 2009, 12:19 PM	#1
Elliven	2V & 60A reqd from car? Hi guys I am new here, (Hi!) far from an electronics fundi, and in need of advice! I would like to a car's electrical system, as input, to get an output of between 1.4 & 2 Volts and around 60 Amps. One option would be to rewind the stator of an alternator and regulat volage via the regulator somehow, but this solution is a little far from plug and play. I then went in search of buck regulators that might be used for this: How does a buck regulator work? - Ask Charlie - Blog on Control Engineering http://designtools.analog.com/dtPowe...fA%3D%3D%22%7D Linear Technology - LTM4605 - High Efï¬ciency Buck-Boost DC/DC ÂµModule LTM4605 LTM4605EV#PBF LTM4605IV#PBF MIC2159 SYNCHRONOUS-itty™ Step-Down Converter IC 2 or 3 of these in parallel will work! Micrel's Switching Regulators So far it seems that buck regulators are suited to low amperage output by the very nature of their design. If anyone has any ideas or input, it would be greatly apreciated.

28th January 2009, 01:42 PM	#2
Nigel Goodwin	It's unlikely that there's a cheap or simple option - switch-mode of some kind is the only way. However, I suspect this is probably for some kind of hydrogen generating scheme, and is completely pointless as they don't work. __________________ PIC programmer software, and PIC Tutorials at: http://www.winpicprog.co.uk

28th January 2009, 02:01 PM	#3
blueroomelectronics	PS Generating HHO requires 2.5x the power it will produce. __________________ Bill Smart Kits build Smart People http://www.blueroomelectronics.com/

28th January 2009, 02:22 PM	#4
picbits	As above. The only time I've ever seen something needing that low a voltage and a reasonable current (still less than 10A though) was on a Lambda Oxygen sensor that required preheating so I assume you're after generating oxygen with that high a current.

28th January 2009, 04:23 PM	#6
audioguru	He is adding HHO to a gasoline engine to fool the ECM into making the mixture too lean so the engine burns its valves and pistons. Then less gasoline is burned. But the nitrogen pollutant will be way too high. __________________ Uncle $crooge

29th January 2009, 03:36 PM	#7
Elliven	Yes; It is for a HHO generator. Which means that it's going to be almost impossible to stick to the subject, get some help, and avoid an arguefight. "ROUND # 1!" Imagine that you had come up with an idea for using the wasted energy from an inefficient engine to produce hydrogen, rather than the obvious. Imagine that you needed a nutter electrolysis cell to test required ignition and fueling changes as you only had one car and needed it to get to work! Imagine that you did not have to tell the whole world the above and thus stood a tiny chance of making living out of your idea, with time to come up with other good ideas! Your turn.

29th January 2009, 04:08 PM	#8
blueroomelectronics	Do you want real answers based on real science or wishful thinking? How will an inefficient process improve an inefficient motor? There is a site called overunity.com which has lots of HHO people all beating the same dead horse. Here's proof it doesn't work, well worth a read. Scientific proof debunking the "run your car on water" scams __________________ Bill Smart Kits build Smart People http://www.blueroomelectronics.com/

29th January 2009, 06:34 PM	#10
blueroomelectronics	PS is fundi a South African word for "expert in a particular field" __________________ Bill Smart Kits build Smart People http://www.blueroomelectronics.com/

29th January 2009, 07:15 PM	#11
duffy	In the US it means "Bible-thumper". Religious fundamentalism and belief in overunity schemes seem to go hand-in-hand.

29th January 2009, 08:43 PM	#12
Hero999	Bible basher is the term we often use for zealots in the UK. __________________ I do not answer private messages asking for help because no one else can: benefit from advice I may give or correct me if I'm wrong. Please ask on the open forum if you have a question and I'll be happy to help, if I know the answer.

29th January 2009, 08:51 PM	#13
blueroomelectronics	Remember there are no experts in the overunity field. __________________ Bill Smart Kits build Smart People http://www.blueroomelectronics.com/

29th January 2009, 09:21 PM	#14
duffy	Is a Bible Basher different from a God Botherer?

29th January 2009, 09:22 PM	#15
Hero999	They there are, they're expert con-artists, liars and thieves. __________________ I do not answer private messages asking for help because no one else can: benefit from advice I may give or correct me if I'm wrong. Please ask on the open forum if you have a question and I'll be happy to help, if I know the answer.