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Old 5th February 2009, 07:14 AM   #16
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Am I stupid enough to think that any energy conversion process is more than 100% efficient?
No: There has to be another explination.
Am I stupid enough to think that everything has already been invented and that there is no other explination?
No: Ignorence is not an excuse its a choice.

Any one here done a study on Tesla?
It wont be anyone who has replied so far.

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Old 5th February 2009, 12:35 PM   #17
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It's all a load of hooey. Search for any of those sites and you'll find they're all scams, BS or wishful thinking. Of course you're free to try, but be warned they are always money pits. You can't have overunity, even the universe is on borrowed time (just a very long time)

PS you can patent almost anything, just don't say it's perpetual motion.
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Old 5th February 2009, 02:42 PM   #18
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Am I stupid enough to think that any energy conversion process is more than 100% efficient?
No: There has to be another explination.
If you know this, then why even bother?

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Any one here done a study on Tesla?
Tesla obeyed, and most importantly UNDERSTOOD basic thermodynamics. What is your point?

Are you trying to make a roughly 24% efficient engine, more efficient? Say like 30%, 32% or more? Is that what you are after?

I really have a hard time understanding what some of you guys are after...
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Old 5th February 2009, 02:43 PM   #19
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Man, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE use Tesla's name for supporting that crap. Its like insulting my sister. Seriously.

Offcourse, resonance works. But that doesn't mean that you can't "light an entire house using an automobile battery", as the little "never revealed Ultra Classified Tesla Secrets" paper states.

If you wanna invent something, refer to bibliography, do some research, and start experimenting. If the sources state that the thing cannot be done, you can work to probe or refute the sources.

But If you keep your "renegade inventor" attitude, before buying the first bolt, or before getting the first result (without photoshoping the multimeter pictures, please!), you will spent the last days of your inventor's life in bankrupt, trying to enter into the dildo industries. That's not cool.

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Old 5th February 2009, 03:04 PM   #20
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you will spent the last days of your inventor's life in bankrupt, trying to enter into the dildo industries. That's not cool.
LOL!!!! Now that would suck. Maybe that is where all the failed overunity trolls end up? Dildo factories?
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Old 5th February 2009, 03:08 PM   #21
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LOL!!!! Now that would suck. Maybe that is where all the failed overunity trolls end up? Dildo factories?
The research could be fun though.

Mike.
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Old 5th February 2009, 03:24 PM   #22
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LOL!!!! Now that would suck. Maybe that is where all the failed overunity trolls end up? Dildo factories?
Hahaha I don't know, I was just looking for a polite way to offend Elliven (the Tesla thing was a kick to my lunchbox).

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The research could be fun though.

Mike.
Now that you quote that, dildo industry is great! Some years ago I've made a small ... ehem... "toy", for my girlfriend*, using a pager vibrating motor, an AAA cell and the case of a marker.

RESULTS:

- My girlfriend* looked seriously to it, and didn't found anything funny / interesting about it
- 2 girlfriends* looked at it, and blushed
- One took it in ehr hands, and started to laugh nerviously
- One tried to steal it

As you can see with my small scale experiment, is a very, very great industry!

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* Little offtopic english question: Please, hoy do you difference between the girl who you love and spend time with, and the girls that you meet (i.e. at work) and are just your friends?

Girlfriend - Girlfriend??

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Old 5th February 2009, 08:16 PM   #23
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Back when car batteries had tar tops, I got 6v from a 12v battery by putting a self tapping screw into the busbar between two of the 2.16v cells.
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Old 5th February 2009, 10:44 PM   #24
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A scrap computer motherboard might be a good starting place. The processors take up to 200W at about 1.5 V or so. There are often synchronised buck regulators to do that, on the motherboard, close to the processor.

You would have to check the voltage rating of the power switches. If the power supply is designed for a much smaller input voltage, the current in the inductors may rise too fast for the regulator to react to.

(Not that I think there is any future in running car engines on HHO. Here in the UK, the annual road tax on cars depends on the CO2 emission per km. The car makers will do anything they can to get those numbers down. If HHO worked, I am sure they would use it.)
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Old 2nd March 2009, 04:56 AM   #25
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If you know this, then why even bother?


Tesla obeyed, and most importantly UNDERSTOOD basic thermodynamics. What is your point?

Are you trying to make a roughly 24% efficient engine, more efficient? Say like 30%, 32% or more? Is that what you are after?

I really have a hard time understanding what some of you guys are after...
I reckon some of you guys should back off a bit. Whats wrong with exploring ways of improving efficiency. It is acknowledged that an internal combustion engine is hugely inefficient so it stands to reason that there is potential for improvement. Ever heard of a triple expansion steam engine , well guess what it was before that ?
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Old 10th March 2009, 03:05 AM   #26
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To get 2 volts out of your car system is simple.
You will have to rewind a battery charger transformer. Three of them actualy, your alternator is three phase before it goes to the rectifers.
Count how many windings there are on the primary when you take it apart. divide line volts by the number of turns. That gives you your turns per volt ratio at your line frequency. if you have a 12 pole alternator running at 2000 rpm idle. (Alterantors are usualy 3 or 4 to one over engine RPM from the factory.)
you have 6 full cycles per revoution and 2000 revolitions per minute. 6 * 2000 or 12000 cycles per minute or about 200 per second. Divide your actual alternator hz by your line hz the transformer ran at. 200/60 = 3 .333
You now have a turns ratio divider for your new lower voltage higher frequency primary
If the old ratio was at 33 turns per volt your new one would be 10 per volt.
If your VA rating was 360va (A common 12v 30 amp Charger is around this) that can be multiplied by your ratio. So now that transformer can run at 360 * 3.3 = 2000 VA theoreticaly. (If the iron core is good not poor quality transformer steel. Good 60 hz transformer steel can run at near 1Khz before it looses its head!)
Factor in your alternator can put out say 60 amps so divide that by 3. (Each transformer is running one phase) Your primary conductor should be able to handle at least 20 amps. Two #14 awg will run 30-40 amps all day with no problem. one #14 might still take it though.
Calculate your secondary windings and the amount of amps they will have to carry.
20 * 6 = 120 (12 volt AC step down to 2 Vac)
7 or 8 #14 in parallel.
get a big enough rectifier set and you should be able to get around 360 amps at 2 volts from a car alternator and still have the standard 12 volt sytem intact and be able to take it off and move it from alternator to alternator as they burn up.
*An actual 12 volt car system runs at closer to 14.4 volts when its working properly. That gives you automatic voltage compensation for rectifier volt drop and line losses.*

Also giving the increase in VA capacity you might as well over wind the whole thing.
When your 2 volt 360 amp source does not cut it try a 120 amp alternator, 720 amps at 2 volts. Or get one of the leese neville industrial units. I have seen one that was rated at 48v 450 amps! (Mine Overburden haul truck) That would give you 10800 amps at 2 volts!

It may still not make enough hydrogen at that level yet but you will be able to spot weld 3/8" plates together!
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Old 10th March 2009, 03:09 AM   #27
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Getting 2 volts out of your car system is simple... Followed by four paragraphs of text which don't effectively explain anything.. I really miss these forums =)
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Old 10th March 2009, 03:28 AM   #28
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hahaha true.
Yea I know it ran out a ways.
But its not like I am the first one to ever post a long run out that does not really do much!
Maybe some of you are being a bad infulence on me!

But if you tell someone to just give up and quit they get pissy. If you give them something think about long enough they will quit on there own!
Human nature 101
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Old 10th March 2009, 12:11 PM   #29
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I understood it - you tap into the alternator ahead of the diodes and hook up three step-down transformers and rectify the outputs of those.

Not real simple, but hydrogenutters might like it.
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Old 10th March 2009, 05:03 PM   #30
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Thats the whole point.
Someone may have just learned how to get different voltages off common alternators without rewinds or vehical electrical sytem modifications.
A little tinkering and its plug in and go!
Next time someone wants 120/240 volts off an alternator maybe this info will be usefull to them too!

PS: hydrogen guys, Ever think of putting the HOH cells in series so you dont have to run 2 volts at high amps? Hydrogen and oxygen gas mixed still dont conduct electricity at STP!
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